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| 28 Jul 2017 11:02 AM |
so, since the staff have stated that they *are* indeed listening to feedback, i figured i would give my extended thoughts all in one thread in as much of a non-aggressive way as possible. some staff members, such as slingshotjunkie, have explained that they find it hard to take our complaints seriously anymore, since some people just call them a "disgrace" and simply complain about everything.
he certainly isn't wrong, as the forums *do* complain a lot, and i don't endorse all of it, but you really can't say the complaints aren't justified this time, as this change directly affects the forums. furthermore, i think pretty much all of us can agree that we don't condone calling staff members a "disgrace" and would much rather just discuss it like normal human beings. just please know that all of us aren't bratty little kids who are crying because we didn't get our way. all we ask is that our feedback is taken into consideration for this to be improved.
i'll start of by saying what i think is at least somewhat good about this change:
1. the removal of unnecessary subforums really isn't bad, as there are quite a few unnecessary ones. however, RT, OT, and ATR do not fall under that category at all imo.
2. i'm very thankful that we can at least look back on the old posts if we have the link to him, like it has always worked before, but i still believe a separate "archive" board with all of the old posts would be a better user experience overall.
3. i am also thankful that the help forum was spared from the great purge, as i find it to be highly necessary.
finally, let's begin with why exactly people are upset about this change, and what should be done to fix it, because i don't believe this update is completely irredeemable.
A) it alienates several different communities. i would say it's pretty common knowledge at this point that the biggest subforums (RT, ATR, OT) can be a little...not-so-friendly sometimes. that's not to say they're constantly in a war or anything, as most of them just want to mind their own business, but there are still some elitists who feel that their subforum is "the best" and even try to attack their least favorites simply out of spite.
with this in mind, it doesn't make much sense to merge them all together, now does it? the old state of the forums would arguably have been much easier to manage than...whatever this is. you could argue that this is "just a rocky start", and while that is true to an extent, i don't think this is ever going to 100% cool down. it would be a much more favorable solution to just crack down further on these 'forum wars'.
B) unnecessary removals. let me start this by saying i am by no means against the idea of removing any subforums. i think that the vast majority of the 'entertainment' section, if not all of it, was pretty much dead and just used for post botters, since no moderators ever went there. those i could completely understand removing, and would personally support the removal of myself. however, i don't think that the biggest subforums like RT, OT, and ATR fall under this category at all.
they are very large communities, and rarely ever got chaotic enough to warrant something like this. as i mentioned before, merging them all together creates a far more chaotic mess than what the original subforums would have ever come close to being, at least on their own. the only exception to this would be when various immature people attempt to "raid" the forums. this is by no means the fault of the subforums, though, and is simply caused by a troll who has nothing better to do.
C) the lack of a place to discuss off topic things. let's be real here. how often was "roblox news" actually discussed on the forums? how often do we even *get* roblox news? there's only so much you can do with that, and it creates a pretty boring and overly-strict result to crack down on it that much, imo. most of the forum culture revolved around simply being able to express yourself and discuss things freely.
that's not to say off topic subjects should be allowed in RN&D. i think it's perfectly reasonable to crack down on it in that case. what i find to be problematic is how there's just no subforum for off topic discussion. if you refuse to provide a containment for that off topic discussion, then realistically, people are just going to be it in RN&D, which would only be even more work for the staff to have to remove it all.
i think if we just added OT back, most of the community would be far more satisfied. RT and ATR were similar enough for it to at least kind of make sense to merge them, but i think that's where people's opinions would be far more divided, so i won't delve too deep into that.
D) the lack of a place to provide suggestions. S&I was another very odd choice for a subforum removal. help and technical support was also a very odd choice, but thankfully that got spared in the end. however, it's still pretty scary that it even came close to being removed. the right to provide suggestions and get technical help are such basic needs that shouldn't even be considered for removal imo.
as some moderators have stated, there may be "better suggestions" on the dev forum, as there are far more civilized people there rather than having to search for diamonds in the rough, but i don't think that means feedback from the regular forums should just be ignored entirely.
E) the lack of actual upgrades. if we were truly going to "upgrade" the forums, why not add the many vital and basic features that it's lacking? in its current state, the forums can hardly do anything other than post threads and replies. some features i would like to see:
bold, italics, strikethrough, and other markdown. this is pretty self-explanatory.
ability to post images. this may sound very risky, but please hear me out: the only images you would be able to post/embed would be decals. this way, the possibility of someone posting inappropriate content would be greatly lowered, as decals already have to be manually approved. this is still pretty iffy, though, since it would cause a sudden spike in decal creation and make it much harder to approve them all, so i wouldn't be surprised if this idea didn't make it through, and i wouldn't be too upset about it.
ability to create polls. once again, self-explanatory. these features are all available for the dev forum, so why not for the regular forum?
anyway, that concludes my extended thoughts on what should be fixed about this update. if any staff members out there actually read this, thank you very much for hearing me out. i hope this will help you reconsider some of the mistakes that were made with this update.
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Swift_Sky
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:04 AM |
tbh removing all of the forums seems like a reasonable solution
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dudism
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:04 AM |
| dont get banned buddy i did for say somthing like this |
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Klooni1
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:05 AM |
@dud, that's why i made sure to not be aggressive at all. this thread is by no means insulting or meant to be insulting in any way, so i hope it'll be safe.
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NTSPRO
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:06 AM |
Add an OT subforum to keep inevitable off topic discussion out of the other subforums
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Alex50529
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:06 AM |
i hope they are, because i got a warning for saying "connection reset" so they probably aren't they're just deleting innocent threads.
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:06 AM |
thats because the admins were mad he was freely speaking.
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:06 AM |
reverting it is the only way to make it better
i mean they could atleast make the floodcheck 15 seconds again
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:06 AM |
bump2
Would you like some fries with that? [ATR] |
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NTSPRO
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:07 AM |
@fandom
Making the floodcheck 15 seconds again would be hell
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:07 AM |
Is this going to be a new video? If so, can this post be in it?
Also, you should see this thread: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=80284219
Damn, I forgot to add my siggy. | But, what if I don’t want a siggy? | Is it logical that I [ Content Deleted ]side? |
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:08 AM |
@electronic, i already made a video about this update when it was first announced, so no.
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Axiliyah
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:08 AM |
| now this is quality, support |
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Exalae
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:09 AM |
even non OTers think its for the best they bring OT back
to be continued... |
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hotfeet09
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:09 AM |
| im thinking General Discussion should be revived again; the name General Discussion is as general as it gets so it appeals to both RTer and OTer refugees |
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:10 AM |
@exalae, can confirm. i've only been on OT a few times, but even i can acknowledge it was highly necessary.
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dudism
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:10 AM |
| @epik i wasn't aggressive in mine, they just ban me for saying "here some things you need to fix on your half" now i gotta use this rinkadink account |
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:10 AM |
Just want to point this out: There was an ATR bunker that we managed to get SilentBuddy and legoseed into. When they were in it, we were pretty much just messing around and eventually we said we should sacrifice lego for ATR. He didn't really respond in a serious way, but we did it. It seems lego had no idea that the crucify command existed or he or silent took it too seriously because a few minutes later the game was deleted. Nevertheless, Inception is the worst current admin. Maybe still not the worst admin/mod in ROBLOX history, but he's up there.
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:11 AM |
Kind of sad that moderators usually overlook these kinds of threads, even though they give valid criticism and reasons why we are unhappy with the update.
They decide, "This post isn't worth my time" and then they say forum members complain about updates even if it doesn't affect them.
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:11 AM |
At least either bring RT or OT so we can talk off topic
Tho technically we're supposed to talk ROBLOX relsted only in RnD but no one cares |
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Exalae
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| 28 Jul 2017 11:11 AM |
@epik
same, I've never forumed on OT, but it didn't really make sense them removing it
to be continued... |
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