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Re: The world doesn't owe you anything

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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:14 PM
I am tired of people saying "communism is a perfect system, if it worked"


No it's not, lol.


Where is the morality in taking somebody's else stuff simply because you exist?

Humanity is a very small part of the universe, so small that if the universe was earth you be stretching it to say we are 1/4 of an atom. Stop acting like this massive universe bows to you, and you alone.

No capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the best we have.
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Bulq_Lee is not online. Bulq_Lee
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26 Jul 2017 07:15 PM
ur so edgy, reported
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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:16 PM
no.


just tired of living in a liberal safe space "communism is great" city.

after having three arguments already today I was heated and needed to vent to c7g
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Bulq_Lee is not online. Bulq_Lee
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26 Jul 2017 07:17 PM
e d g y
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IcyRedemption is not online. IcyRedemption
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26 Jul 2017 07:20 PM
why are you on an alt?
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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:22 PM
got friends who I am lowkey pretty sure are more on the "communism is great" side.



Even tho I should, as a friend, show them the error in their ways I value their friendship.
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shrauger is not online. shrauger
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26 Jul 2017 07:24 PM
hey I'm actually a communist

"You can't say that communism fails when you spent your time trying to ensure it fails"

"That's where you're wrong kiddo"
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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:26 PM
I don't spend my time making sure it fails, I use my time in making sure humanity succeeds.


There is a big difference, if humanity started thinking it was healthy to drown themselves, I would say somthing.


I advocate for the progression of humanity, and ignoring the anchors that bring us back dont work.



name a time communism has worked.

name how communism is morale.

name how communism progress society, instead of holding them back.
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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:27 PM
I mean its a nice bait, but an argument that is still used. Better shoot it down fast as possible
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shrauger is not online. shrauger
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26 Jul 2017 07:36 PM
Communism has been tried yet, anywhere, read the communist manifesto. Marx predicted that communism is the evolved version of capitalism.

Communism is immoral for the literal world, because of nationalism, ideology, religion, etc,.

In a communist state, people are treated equally in the eyes of the government regardless of education, financials, etc,. It's beneficial for universal social welfare, giving everyone a chance to benefit their country.
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shrauger is not online. shrauger
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26 Jul 2017 07:36 PM
has never been tried yet*
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gostriderthe2 is not online. gostriderthe2
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26 Jul 2017 07:41 PM
What who said this?
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NuclearWasteMan1 is not online. NuclearWasteMan1
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26 Jul 2017 07:51 PM
"Communism has been tried yet, anywhere, read the communist manifesto. Marx predicted that communism is the evolved version of capitalism."

it has and failed. USSR, cuba, north korea (look where that went), multipal African countries, etc..

>Dont with the "not true communism", it was true communism. It was the result of true communism.

"Communism is immoral for the literal world, because of nationalism, ideology, religion, etc,. "

yea, we live in a literal world. The world runs on logic, facts, not emotions. Capitalism allows people to succeed, and failed, communism does not. Communism makes nobody succeed, and nobody fail. Sounds like a moral state for me. "Everyone must make sure they take of everyone else, instead of trying to pursue there own happiness". Yea lets take away individuality and become a state of drones controlled by an AI. ## ###what communism trys to force people into, which leads to its demise as people are not mindless drones.


"In a communist state, people are treated equally in the eyes of the government regardless of education, financials, etc,. It's beneficial for universal social welfare, giving everyone a chance to benefit their country."

No, common people are treated equally, leaders are treated in a higher regard. Yes communism does't care about education, finances, but its not beneficial. Sometimes a under educated, low iq, born for manual labor person is just that. Not a scientific genius. On top of this it forces the people who would succeed it capitalism, to pursue happiness , to fail as they are trying to make sure others don't fail. It holds people back, maybe people will say this is "unfair" but the world isn't fair. Some people are born smarter then others, dont handicap those who are.

Thing is communism doesn't bring people up, it knocks people down to others levels. Meaning take the most under educated, slowest and least brightest person in a country. and communism forces everyone to be on the same level of them.


Are you implying capitalism doesn't allow people to benefit there country?

It does it better then communism, by allowing the good to succeed, and the bad to fail. Instead of making sure everything is on equal terms
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Antagonise is not online. Antagonise
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26 Jul 2017 08:04 PM
"Where is the morality in taking somebody's else stuff simply because you exist?"

This is literally the point that Marx makes though? In Capital he explains why the existence of the boss (or in a wider scope, the bourgeoisie) doesn't mean he is entitled to the surplus labour of the workers (or proletariat). "Stuff" is not taken in the system of communism itself, only in wealth redistribution as the means to achieving the end; the core value of actual society is that everyone gets the full value of the labour they put in.
If you had ever actually read Marx or any leftist literature at all rather than basing your concept of socialism on what armchair conservatives say, you'd know in the society proposed you don't simply "get money for existing", you still have to work according to the principles of "to each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
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Antagonise is not online. Antagonise
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26 Jul 2017 08:05 PM
why am i taking this bait when i'm not even a communist
am i this desperate
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