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Re: Answering Dystereus' statements

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Sargxon is not online. Sargxon
Joined: 06 Sep 2008
Total Posts: 2739
10 Jul 2017 06:19 PM
Let's answer these claims.

First, you say that any attempt on restoring Alversia is "unrecognized and should be ignored, as it is not an official representation of what APN stood for."
Let's set the record straight now - Alversia stood for its community. The so-called official representation of APN is whatever the community decides. The Alversian Union has the community's support - otherwise, we wouldn't be a thing.

We don't claim to be APN, though. The Alversian Union isn't APN. We only choose to continue its values and mission. We're not powerhungry or "moneyhungry." The only thing we're hungry for is the prosperity of our community. Just because you've given up doesn't mean we have.

Next, you try to tarnish my name - calling me a lazy guy, trying to rip off APN and use the name of Alversia for personal gain.

Here's what you wrote in APN's memorialization post:
This does not mean that APN’s community will not live on. The friendships forged in this group will lead many people to other corners of this site, and outside it, together. APN will live on in the hearts of many, and we will forever call ourselves Alversians, remembering our fond memories which have been created in this beautiful clan. Thank you all for the fun, the memories, and the experience.

The Alversian Union is the rebirth of APN's community. That's our goal. To try to put us down instead of lift us up shows our community that you'd rather let APN rot than rebirth.

The only one thing that has the right to do whatever it wants to APN is its own community. We won't let you divide us. You will not divide us. And for the sake of our community, Dystereus, I do hope you don't attempt to divide us.
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InstinctReaper is not online. InstinctReaper
Joined: 09 Jun 2014
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10 Jul 2017 06:20 PM
First!
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InstinctReaper is not online. InstinctReaper
Joined: 09 Jun 2014
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10 Jul 2017 06:20 PM
Why did you copy heydude?

I thought you were making your own...?
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TheLastingMillennia is online. TheLastingMillennia
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10 Jul 2017 06:21 PM
This'll be fun.
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VirtualDogg is not online. VirtualDogg
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10 Jul 2017 06:21 PM
good response but explain what ApN values are that you are continuing
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Heydude261 is not online. Heydude261
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10 Jul 2017 06:21 PM
we wrote it together edwin
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Allocated is not online. Allocated
Joined: 25 Sep 2010
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10 Jul 2017 06:22 PM
u need steve the yeti at ur base
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Resolite is not online. Resolite
Joined: 24 May 2009
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10 Jul 2017 06:22 PM
APN deserves the best, and to put it quite simply you're not good enough.

That's not an insult. I've already told you that I'm not good enough and I can't think of anyone else on this site who is.

This reply was emotionally-focused, but I guess that's what you did best.
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Chatika is not online. Chatika
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10 Jul 2017 06:22 PM
spicy drama??
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Zellark is not online. Zellark
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10 Jul 2017 06:24 PM
As I said in the discord, both sides of this argument make valid points. I was talking to someone yesterday about this union, and I said, "I like the idea of a reboot, but this will never be what APN was." Even if it comes close, it isn't APN. When Dyst memorialized APN, I see it as something that would have come either way, but he did it earlier and quicker so the group wouldn't suffer. APN most likely would have died either way, and maybe what he did when memorializing it was just a better way to send it off.
Both sides make valid points, and honestly this "battle" between the newer age with the older age is dumb and pointless.


oh well, what about the angel hair spaghetti?
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Neochori is not online. Neochori
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10 Jul 2017 06:24 PM
Popcorn has been primed.


~ CBR99 ~
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CypherK2 is not online. CypherK2
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10 Jul 2017 06:25 PM
Res it's not about being good enough my dude
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APOLL_O is online. APOLL_O
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10 Jul 2017 06:26 PM
@Reso

You are a wise man.
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DominusRobloxia is online. DominusRobloxia
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10 Jul 2017 06:26 PM
very spicy.


Interesting analysis.
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SLPM is not online. SLPM
Joined: 02 Apr 2010
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10 Jul 2017 06:28 PM
You are using APN's intellectual property against its owner's wishes. You are not a leader in Alversia's community and the only APN members in your group are complete trolls whom have barely been a part of APN's history. If this group was created by an actual leader of APN who has put time and effort into making the real group strong then perhaps I would support it. But no, it was created by some kid we kicked out because he didn't know how to uphold APN's values. Your group will never be recognized as anything other than a plea for attention.


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APOLL_O is online. APOLL_O
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10 Jul 2017 06:29 PM
Also;

You can't revive a group by offering every single veteran a free promotion to Officer.

I'll give your APN knock off about two months at most. Similar to FoA, you can't take a community and just move it around and expect it to be the same. There are other factors.
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MagicHat4 is not online. MagicHat4
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10 Jul 2017 06:29 PM
I like APOLL_O's response.


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Heydude261 is not online. Heydude261
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10 Jul 2017 06:30 PM
we're not apollo, that's why we're not APN
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Dystereus is not online. Dystereus
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10 Jul 2017 06:34 PM
I'm not trying to divide anyone, I tried to encourage people to stay together with my statement that you just tried to use against me.

I didn't say you should make a clone of APN, the group was shut down for a reason. Try making a group originally without taking all of APN's old tech and GFX, and don't use APN's name. Make something new. You can have your community, but I'm against the use of APN's name or intellectual property. You were never even a leader in the original group, as has been said. You did not create anything we used, did not contribute to the group at all other than being a troll and disrupting events and trying to gain more power.

Read#################m the other post instead of making a whole new post replying to 25% of my argument:

"Cross was actually a close friend of mine back in the day, I introduced him to APN when I was a Captain, got him to join and introduced him to my friends in the group and basically created a good reputation for him when he joined to be nice and to get him to take part in APN. After a while of him participating, I suggested him to Reaven to become an Officer, which was like the apprentice high rank. He started acting out of line of how we did things back then immediately, disrespecting APN members and not listening to anyone that was a higher rank than him. He has problems with power hunger and respecting authority. By the time I got APN, I thought he had improved, and I wasn't opposed to making him a high rank again. He started exhibiting the exact same behavior, not respecting the people in ranks above him, making us look bad at raids, defenses, causing problems at trainings, whatever. Anything he could do to disrupt things. He hasn't changed. He isn't a person that should carry on APN's image, he'll ruin it. He isn't capable of running a group. It's also evident that he only wants power and personal benefit out of it. He's doing this to defy me, as I exiled him from APN for his ridiculous behavior. It wasn't even done without support, countless people in higher and lower ranks than him wanted him gone.

As for the authority to shut down a group like that, tell me. What have you done for APN? Have you spent countless hours trying to contribute to APN's development? Have you spent real money to improve the group? Have you done everything in your power to make sure the group was fun for the people in it? Have you put any effort into maintaining a healthy community in APN? Have you spent countless more hours organizing the structure of APN and introducing new ideas to try to improve the group? Have you done anything for APN? Most of the people I've seen trying to be philosophical on here don't understand that when you put so much work into a group that it becomes yours, you have the authority to shut it down. Even before I owned the group, I poured an immense amount of hours into it, since 2010 when I joined. I constantly took part in group activities. I'm not someone that just shut down the group and won't pass it on to troll. I haven't passed it on because I haven't met anyone with the willpower and knowledge to lead APN.

Of course I'm going to be opposed to some kid who tried to ruin everything starting up a clone of the group not even remaking anything himself, not even the GFX, or starting the group under a creative new name, or anything. He's literally just ripping the original group off to benefit his attempt because the recognition for APN is already there and some people want to see it come back. He's taking advantage of people for his personal gain, he is power hungry and money hungry. He just wants recognition he doesn't deserve. "
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APOLL_O is online. APOLL_O
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10 Jul 2017 06:34 PM
@HeyDude

Roast the community you're copying! Very logical!

You have 12 people legend+. That is the active member base. Each and everyone of them got a free promotion. 30% of the group.
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Heydude261 is not online. Heydude261
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10 Jul 2017 06:37 PM
legend isn't a high rank @apollo

@dystereus

your literal whole post is trying to trash sargxon and that's stupid and MEAN
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Dystereus is not online. Dystereus
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
Total Posts: 3915
10 Jul 2017 06:37 PM
You say you aren't trying to copy APN when you're literally using our name, logos, tech and places.

Be original. Don't be lazy. Make something worthwhile for people and think about them instead of yourself.
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APOLL_O is online. APOLL_O
Joined: 22 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 712
10 Jul 2017 06:37 PM
@HEYDUDE

LEGEND PLUS

ABOVE LEGEND.

12.
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zman250 is not online. zman250
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10 Jul 2017 06:38 PM
@dyst

cross didn't write any of this response


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Dystereus is not online. Dystereus
Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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10 Jul 2017 06:39 PM
@Heydude

My post explains why this guy isn't fit to carry on APN's name or image, and if he was, he wouldn't be leading a copy of the group, but the real one.

I'm pretty sure you're 10 from the way you structured your argument so I doubt you understand what's being said anyway.
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