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5 reasons I feel like LMaD is knows nothing about trading

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trail39rulez is not online. trail39rulez
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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01 Jul 2017 12:59 PM
I agree w/ 77 and w/ that later half of itemking's explanation xd

Demand is just a toy to us traders
where to these demand 'traders' demand is a holy object of riches


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Zyrap is not online. Zyrap
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01 Jul 2017 01:00 PM
Ok no what is even going on. rap is not useless, it is a form of value it self, the minimal value. And not to mention it IS a factor on the value, even of not much it contributes. If say bib was 10k rap, not everyone would believe when you tell them it's 75k, but at the rap it is right now, it's comfortable to unfamiliar traders.
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Fishheart is online. Fishheart
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01 Jul 2017 01:01 PM
wow it's almost like you can manipulate the system to your advantage or something :)


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Zyrap is not online. Zyrap
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01 Jul 2017 01:04 PM
Holy this is dumb.
All three factors of an item are important. Rap, value, demand.

Demand is in its name explainable. It's just what people want, but it also can hint toward items that sell more frequently.

Please just stop this argument, there is no point behind it.

Also @appie @op what the hell is the correct way to trade? Is there a handbook saying the foundations to being a good trader? Everyone has their ways of doing it even if you don't agree to it.
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trail39rulez is not online. trail39rulez
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01 Jul 2017 01:08 PM
@zyrap
maybe you're tonieve or young
but trading has a form in the real world
and is implemented here in the game a lot
however 2013 was more of a traders market
where now a days its more about rap
rap is a form of sales
sales in it self are part of demandd

however robux has no value except via devex
so how can you actually use 'robux' aka rap as a form of value/

value is usually determined both irl and ingame by the rarity it possesses, and the demand it's given
if an item is ridiculously rare even the slightness want will increase the value significantly

EST was a great example of this when merely owned 4

as for demand especially during inflation it's value is based solely on the affordability and demand

this is why CWS is so high
it has high demand and very high quantity but it's value is still high due to inflation and demand


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appie8 is not online. appie8
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01 Jul 2017 01:09 PM
the reason items even have demand in lmad is because they have demand which paradoxically extremely inflates the demand and value (an item has more demand -> lmad wants it because it has demand which creates demand -> creates more demand -> lmad wants more of it -> etc)

most demanded items look atrocious, there's literally no reason to get items such as "prankster" besides the demand it has
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BillabobClgnus is not online. BillabobClgnus
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01 Jul 2017 01:10 PM
ITEMS YOU WILL GIVE Value: R$52286
The Classic ROBLOX Fedora
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Perfectly Legitimate Business Hat
Perfectly Legitimate Business Hat

ITEMS YOU WILL RECEIVE Value: R$19681
New Years Crown 2012

currently outbound


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7286 is not online. 7286
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01 Jul 2017 01:12 PM
Demand doesn't mean jack, its only important to people who are impatient with trading

The amount of people offering on an item doesn't affect the value - what people will actually give for it does. Believe it or not there is a large market for rares, its just that you don't get the full scope. You only hang out with people who like FF, legit fedora, whatever

Same with RAP. If I sell CF for 1 robux over and over and get the RAP down to 1K, does that mean its worth 1K? No, it doesn't. Me dropping the RAP down to 1K is anecdotal - its not what the item is really worth

There's not any specific way to be a good trader, but there are things practiced widely that dont make sense at all
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BillabobClgnus is not online. BillabobClgnus
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01 Jul 2017 01:13 PM
can we just agree a good trader is someone who profits off trading plz


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Spinax is not online. Spinax
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01 Jul 2017 01:13 PM
YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE REAL PROBLEM! RAP is important and every day it gets overshadoed than it was before. Now more than ever do people overvalue items to what would be extreme if compared to the stable values of yesterday. They were closer to RAP and only big items had values disconnected from rap. Rap is useful, it shows what people are willing to buy it for.


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Zyrap is not online. Zyrap
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01 Jul 2017 01:15 PM
Robux has no value? I'd think your dumb comments would've stopped by now.

robux is used to purchase everything on this game. Games stuff, clothes, assesories, items. Rap is based off robux. Value is based off rap and demand. Demand is how many times an item sells for robux. Robux is the soul foundation of the main factors of an item's stats excluding rarity.

Appie you aren't wrong with your comment, but it's not the only thing affection demand.
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trail39rulez is not online. trail39rulez
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01 Jul 2017 01:17 PM
rap is a sale based #
it barely affects items unless it's a very small item usually under 10k

rap in itself is only good for trading w/ ODers
we have a value system and people don't know how it works usually resulting in misconception

people tell me CWHP is 90k
but both prankster & JJ is >?
why if all 3 are 90k?
In reality it's just because the rap dropped slightly that people belittle it
items rap is to give you an idea what it sells for
not what it gets in trades
trades is a value system

rap is a robux system


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trail39rulez is not online. trail39rulez
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01 Jul 2017 01:18 PM
@zyrap
really?
robux has a value?

ok then
how much robux=10 value

please give me this formula and how you got it


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Spinax is not online. Spinax
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01 Jul 2017 01:18 PM
Lol, you guys are missing the point of demand too. People like the way those high demand items like prankster look. That's why they are popular as well as having many owners. No one would want them if they looked atrocious b/c they are definitely not rares.


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lamak9 is online. lamak9
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01 Jul 2017 01:19 PM
lol u mad your trash phones dropped?


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Zyrap is not online. Zyrap
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01 Jul 2017 01:19 PM
@72 supply and demand. Too many people will want that item and eventually will lead into a rise in its value. Could be because the people wanting it op, or because the owners see how wanted it is and decide only to take more.

Rarity also has demand. Again, supply and demand. Too few items too many people wanting it, it's all a cycle.
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BillabobClgnus is not online. BillabobClgnus
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01 Jul 2017 01:19 PM
"Nobody would like them if they looked atrocious"

explain prae then


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7286 is not online. 7286
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01 Jul 2017 01:20 PM
"Robux has no value? I'd think your dumb comments would've stopped by now.

robux is used to purchase everything on this game. Games stuff, clothes, assesories, items."

But do those things have much value compared to real, cold, hard cash?
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Spinax is not online. Spinax
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01 Jul 2017 01:21 PM
It's a dominus. you just know that thing is going to rise. It does not look bad either.


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Spinax is not online. Spinax
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01 Jul 2017 01:23 PM
Bottom lines is that Rap used to be very close to value except for bigs. We stray farther away from it every day now when it should be a useful tool for determination of value.


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7286 is not online. 7286
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01 Jul 2017 01:23 PM
Yes Einstein, I understand supply and demand, I took econ

That only affects whether or not an item raises though like you said. Should an item be worth less though just because fewer people want it? No, it should drop be cause people aren't willing to give that much for it

Demand has nothing to do with that
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Poidachi is online. Poidachi
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01 Jul 2017 01:24 PM
I think it's important to outline that RAP is important for lower tier items rather than higher tier.



LPPs and projection is far too easy with ROBUX buying and it doesn't help that ROBUX is inflated nowadays.


Trades are more common than ROBUX buying anyways for higher tiers.


Lower tier items are usually near RAP value anyways. There's a reason why RAP and value are different, silly.


RAP - Sold Price(can be manipulated easily)
Value - Recently Traded Value(Much harder to manipulate)


I wonder why people rely on Value more than RAP.

Hmmmmmmmm
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trail39rulez is not online. trail39rulez
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01 Jul 2017 01:24 PM
demand isn't based on looks
demand hsa many factors

here's a small list:
Want {usually demand traders}
Sales {Robux buyers and ODers}
knowledge {Proved this in 2014 and why rares usually lack demand}


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Zyrap is not online. Zyrap
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01 Jul 2017 01:24 PM
Are you listening to yourself?
10 robux would potentially go to 10 value.
Robux is the currency of this website.
Before you say if you buy x for y does it mean y is the value? No.

The market is a form of profit.
An example would be you go to the store and buy shoes for 100$. To the manufactures that's profit as it costed them less to make it.
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EmperorTall is not online. EmperorTall
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01 Jul 2017 01:24 PM
lmao
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