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Re: Clans can still be saved

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AtomicRXN is not online. AtomicRXN
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30 Jun 2017 12:22 AM
All these clan leaders saying "screw clans" (though I agree with this sentiment) and starting up their own "rp groups"

It sounds so buzzwordy lately and I feel like in the next 6 months the concept of "rp groups" is going to get super saturated people are gonna poop put their own crummy "rp groups" left and right and the whole thing is just going to turn into a cash grab like tycoons did.

People are escaping to "rp groups" because clans aren't rp enough but I'm afraid even all these new rp groups don't do enough justice to the rp that was once pretty relevant in clans.

I want to make an important contrast:
Clans were designed as militaries. 7 or 8 years ago you could look at pretty much any clan and say "that's a military, they function and act like one". I'm not saying they were the epitome of virtual military, but it's the closest clans were ever military.

Over the years, clans have evolved and become less and less militaristic despite war becoming the #1 event for driving activity. We started making obbies for entrance courses, nothing about that rings military to me. We started utilizing Holo facilities that require 0 engagement from our high ranks. Low ranks get instructed to file in STS, do some tdm matches, get rewarded. No manual trainings, everything's auto. Nothing about that rings military to me and nothing about that provides just the slightest "military" experience. It doesn't have to be a realistic experience, it could even be exaggerated/made up like you see in movies and television, but the point is, there is nothing actually military about clans today. All we have is ranks and a base and call it a military.

Today, there's a new trend. Now instead of clans becoming even less and less militaristic, we see clan leaders exiting the clan world to pursue a different type of group, a roleplay one. They're giving up because "clans are a gigantic waste of time and the community licks doodoo"

But I'm afraid that even all these new rp groups don't do justice to military rp like they claim to do. The general trend right now for "rp groups" is to build a border simulator city, fill it with dev products, and spend money on sponsors and pray it yields profit and activity. Everything else is the same. Trainings are still boring old same same, you could walk into any training and it won't be any different than a clans trainings. only difference is there's an active social hub (the city usually) for members to hang out/"patrol"

Sorry, but that's not military rp either and it's not any better than what clans are currently. You're going to tell me "but look at groups like edeltia and Robine they're super active" but just because they're active and turn profits doesn't mean that this is a good change for clans. Imagine what this place will be like when it gets saturated with all these "rp groups" it's going to feel stale again. Tycoon games used to be easy cash crops, but that doesn't mean the tycoon trend was a positive influence on Roblox games. It polluted the front page with JUNK. Just because it's successful doesn't mean it's a good change.

Everyone thought that this new high tech holo training stuff was gonna be really good for the community, but I just can't see it that way when it took away an enjoyable experience for me: feeling like I was a soldier. I believe that kind of change (which seemed really good at the time) did more harm than good to the clan world. We need to realize that this new "rp trend" isn't the answer we're looking for either. You can tell me this is rp, but I'll tell you it's not because it misses every single trait that could make it feel like a military.

Obviously, I have my own perspective on what could save clans and still stay true to being a clan, but I want to leave an open ended question that will hopefully spark ideas in people's minds.

What are things that clans could do today to make them feel more like a military?

If you can answer this question, then you basically understand what it takes to create an rp military group. Not a border simulator. An actual clan.
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enjoyablegamer321 is online. enjoyablegamer321
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30 Jun 2017 12:24 AM
i kinda agree
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stickysoap is online. stickysoap
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30 Jun 2017 12:25 AM
IM CRYING
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spIashes is not online. spIashes
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30 Jun 2017 12:26 AM
kind of disappointing how some clans keep talking about some really cool stuff they're going to release and then they never actually get to that point. i agree on the going too roleplayish but most clans are refusing to make even small changes.
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ThomasRiIey is online. ThomasRiIey
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30 Jun 2017 12:29 AM
Agree
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30 Jun 2017 12:30 AM
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30 Jun 2017 12:30 AM
i cant read
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30 Jun 2017 12:34 AM
Wonderfully orchestrated, I just wrote a plan out, and I would be really interested in conversing with you.


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Shattered_Realities is not online. Shattered_Realities
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30 Jun 2017 12:34 AM
but... who cares about saving them

move on if it's truly boring

they're just meaningless group pages people!
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Exalteral is not online. Exalteral
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30 Jun 2017 12:36 AM
I mean, the RP concept is just there so we can introduce new people into our genres and gain more activity.

Of course, this isn't the best way to do it, but it's effective.

But I do get your point.
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StarSwarm is online. StarSwarm
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30 Jun 2017 12:40 AM
In that it is more attractive to newcomers, I guess I can agree. But the problem is, things have changed to become more performance base. You have to have good aim, and protect certain choke-points and that requires coordination. As far as I know, a lot of the new players are on mobile or consoles. Which when put against a PC user, PC users will dominate every single time.

And even if we switch to a more rudimentary type of group, it just isn't as appealing to older players. I mean, personally myself I don't have the attention span to be STS. FACE LEFT. FACE RIGHT. WRONG. GET OUT A NOTEPAD AND WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU SO I CAN QUIZ YOU LATER ( U.S. Military 1940s -_- ). And the bootcamp obbies oh my god.


A "hangout" or patrol area is pretty realistic. I can see that most patrolers would be a younger audience, and the occasional attendance by the more older players.


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AtomicRXN is not online. AtomicRXN
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30 Jun 2017 12:41 AM
@Exalt- people said the same thing when they used tycoons to vip recruit kids into their clans.

It worked for a while in the short term. Long term? Not so much.

Sleet clan and LS did lots of vip recruitment and were pretty active for a bit. But where are they now? The activity is nowhere close and they go through intermittent periods like most clans do anyway. They failed to fully captivate that audience. Where are those members going? How many of those vip recruited members end up joining other clans and assimilating with the community? I'd imagine not very much.
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Exalteral is not online. Exalteral
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30 Jun 2017 12:43 AM
That's because of incompetent HRs and not-so-fun activities.

Main reason onto why they lost their activity is because it felt plain for them, and just wants some fun.

That's why most clans are dying now, it's the same thing all over again but no way to really change our training method.
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30 Jun 2017 12:44 AM
Splashes add me on discord
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30 Jun 2017 12:45 AM
I see a lot of those clans doing faces (left face, right face, about face), and others doing grammar jacks (when you jump up and count numbers). The reality is that these would never be used in battle. I don't see why you are interested in making the clan-world more military-like. Military drills are almost always boring.

The groups that have borders are only slightly different than those who have recruitment centers. Both are just hubs to hang out, and I think that the soldiers need somewhere to go besides the base. I would go as far as to say that a cafe-like place would be alright, as long as it had some resemblance of the group's theme and had weapons (visitors would be permitted). Or the hub/cafe could just be a small part of the fort.
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guges is not online. guges
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30 Jun 2017 12:45 AM
IMO clans need to merge the tryhard rcl side of themselves with the trainingspam community side. Imagine how much cooler clans would be if all the tryhard RCLers were taking random scrubs as apprentices instead of HRs who can't gunfight spamming trainings.
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enjoyablegamer132 is not online. enjoyablegamer132
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30 Jun 2017 12:46 AM
reason why is because clans are competitive now, kids rn dont like competitive xcept for the people in pf/apoc, u gotta get em instead of people on frontpage


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AtomicRXN is not online. AtomicRXN
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30 Jun 2017 12:46 AM
@Star- I had a feeling someone would bring up the whole "too old for this". You say that, but believe it or not, there is still an audience for that.

I joined a realism unit on ARMA for a bit and it was run by grown dudes some who had military experience and some who didn't, but when I joined my very first Phase 1 Alpha training, it felt real and almost nostalgic to my very first clan training.

It was long, but I loved it and I was fully immersed. I'm 18. I refuse to believe the older age group on here won't enjoy that experience.
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30 Jun 2017 12:47 AM
sent a friend request blackmask
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PutMe0utOfMyMissouri is not online. PutMe0utOfMyMissouri
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30 Jun 2017 12:56 AM
ha this loser wrote an essay on role play groups

i feel sorry for him and any suckers who follow him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30iQrFL7U4c
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AtomicRXN is not online. AtomicRXN
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30 Jun 2017 01:05 AM
@Exalt- I've already come up with ideas to change up training. Not gonna say them because I had to learn it but what I've learned through my experience of developing for my project is that exposure and research matter a lot.

Before I did any research, I had very little knowledge of what a standard military training would consist of. So I watched videos and joined a realism unit on arma 3 (funny to think about) but apparently it was the closest thing to military you could get on a game.

So with what I learned, I had to ask an important question. Trainees in the military do various exercises like sit ups and push ups but I clearly can't do that on Roblox and make it interesting. What are drills/activities they do that i can carry over to a game?

I didn't think I could think of anything else to do at a training until I learned about these things. There's still a whole lot I don't know.
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30 Jun 2017 01:06 AM
Atomic join Belyx Clique


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AtomicRXN is not online. AtomicRXN
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30 Jun 2017 01:14 AM
What's that
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30 Jun 2017 01:16 AM
My clan


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Buy me Overwatch and you got a deal
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