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AntonSaricI is not online. AntonSaricI
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30 Jun 2017 12:31 AM
Okay, you said the God of Islam and Christianity are different. Well, I can prove you wrong right now.

"Say, We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us, and in what has been sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their offspring, and what has been revealed to Moses and Jesus and to all the prophets of our Lord. We make no distinction between them and we submit to Him and obey." (Quran 3:84)

"I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." (Matthew 22:32)

This is just ONE of many examples. I could find you plenty more verses like these. Now tell me how the two different God's mentioned in these different books aren't the same.
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FleetPatriot is not online. FleetPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 12:32 AM
we get it you eat our children now go away you atheist ####
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 12:33 AM
is there no end to your stupidity


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AntonSaricI is not online. AntonSaricI
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30 Jun 2017 12:36 AM
Waiting for Blood to try and disprove me.
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 12:40 AM
"waiting for blood to try and disprove me"

>you just got disproven multiple times but failed to acknowledge it because there's no way for you to disprove it


neurons are firing


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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 12:40 AM
"Now tell me how the two different God's mentioned in these different books aren't the same."


ok. it's called the holy trinity. if you deny christ to be in the trinity while christians believe jesus is god, then we do not share the same god.


On 13 O##ober 2007##### ###l######olars presented the document, “A Common Word” to the Christian world. The full document begins with an immediate affirmation of the non-negotiable prominence of Muhammad as the basis for belief in God:

The central creed of Islam consists of the two testimonies of faith or Shahadahs, which state that: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God. These Two Testimonies are the sine qua non [indispensible characteristics] of Islam. He or she who testifies to them is a Muslim; he or she who denies them is not a Muslim.6
Though this document highlights values cherished by Muslims and Christians alike, such as love of God and love of neighbor, the Muslim scholars nevertheless fail to hold out an olive branch to their Christian counterparts regarding the SGQ. Instead, they immediately follow their initial insistence on acceptance of Muhammad with one of his hadith statements that Allah “has no associate,”7 a clear admonition against belief in the Sonship of Christ and the Trinity. (These statements which emphasize that Allah has no partner serve a polemic purpose, and therefore do not create an environment of mutual respect. A reciprocal introduction from Christians would be to preface an inter-faith document for Muslims with multiple verses regarding “false prophets.”)


but how can this be? in some parts christians and muslims share common theological ground, but there's still a vast disagreement over the nature of god.

saint john of damascus explained this:


“Moreover, they call us Hetaeriasts, or Associators, because, they say, we introduce an associate with God by declaring Christ to the Son of God and God… And again we say to them: ‘As long as you say that Christ is the Word of God and Spirit, why do you accuse us of being Hetaeriasts? For the word, and the spirit, is inseparable from that in which it naturally has existence. Therefore, if the Word of God is in God, then it is obvious that He is God. If, however, He is outside of God, then, according to you, God is without word and without spirit. Consequently, by avoiding the introduction of an associate with God you have mutilated Him. It would be far better for you to say that He has an associate than to mutilate Him, as if you were dealing with a stone or a piece of wood or some other inanimate object. Thus, you speak untruly when you call us Hetaeriasts; we retort by calling you Mutilators of God.’”


“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the ########### They are descended from Ishmael, [who] was born to Abraham of Agar, and for this reason they are called both Agarenes and Ishmaelites…

From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an ##### ##### devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”

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AntonSaricI is not online. AntonSaricI
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30 Jun 2017 12:41 AM
No, you can't disprove this. It's not possible.
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Auquies is not online. Auquies
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30 Jun 2017 12:42 AM
I'd love to prove this wrong:

Islam preaches hate, their God does.

Christian God preaches love.

The separation and split happened from Isaac and Ishmael. After that, the division between the two, one created a religion of hate*Ishmael* as he wasn't the chosen son, while Isaac led God's people.
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Royj1256 is online. Royj1256
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30 Jun 2017 12:42 AM
Hol up I think you need a little DEUS VULT kiddo
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isseman6 is not online. isseman6
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30 Jun 2017 12:45 AM
aquies, you sent dev_brandon #### ################### ### ### because you thought he was a female, degenerate do not dare discuss god!
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Centauri07 is not online. Centauri07
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30 Jun 2017 12:47 AM
He disproved it very well in the other bait thread.

This bait would be hilarious if Blood didn't actually destroy you.
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 12:51 AM
The Quran's Surah 17 111 says: "Praise be to Allah, WHO BEGETS NO SON, and has no partner in (His) domain..."

Surah 4 171 says: "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor, say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah and His Word..."



If we're looking at the same God, you sure as hell aren't describing or representing him correctly.
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Auquies is not online. Auquies
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30 Jun 2017 12:51 AM
What? No I didn't xD?
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Space_Marine is not online. Space_Marine
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30 Jun 2017 12:52 AM
The Quran was written after the Bible and they're all abrahamic religions, the Quran copied the Bible & just changed what Muhammad wanted
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isseman6 is not online. isseman6
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30 Jun 2017 12:53 AM
Auquies yes you did why you deny it LOL
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AntonSaricI is not online. AntonSaricI
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30 Jun 2017 12:54 AM
To say Prophet Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and the Father are one is to say 1+1+1=1. That is simply not true.

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

Jesus affirmed monotheism as part of the first and greatest commandment:

"One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ (Mark 12:28–30)

In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While this “Great Commission” does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text – that is, not the actual words of Jesus – as can be seen by two factors:

1) baptism in the early Chur#######discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and

2) the “Great Commission” was found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost – see Mark 16:15.

The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7. Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase:

“...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one”

…is definitely a “later addition” to Biblical text, and it is not found in any of today’s versions of the Bible.

It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin.
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Auquies is not online. Auquies
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30 Jun 2017 12:55 AM
Because I don't know who the dude is, first and foremost. Proof? Second. And I am in a happy ############ and unlike other people on this game, I don't need to OD or do anything of the sorts because I am a stud. But thanks:)
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AntonSaricI is not online. AntonSaricI
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30 Jun 2017 12:58 AM
@Centauri, the other thread was bait. But i'm going to actually debate him and destroy him on this thread.
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Auquies is not online. Auquies
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30 Jun 2017 01:05 AM
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 01:43 AM
lmao we're actually going down the road of the holy trinity, nice

"To say Prophet Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and the Father are one is to say 1+1+1=1. That is simply not true."

that's literally what the holy trinity is but ok, wouldnt expect you to understand that anyways so color me surprised! getting into the beef of your claims:


Deuteronomy 6:4 -

This verse is known as the Shema. While it's commonly misrepresented as an attack against Trinitarian doctrine because of the use of "one god", this actually fits right in with the dogma. The trinity teaches that three are one, one are three, etc. I'm sure you've see the "Is, is, is, is not" diagram before.

In fact, Jesus himself quotes the Shema in Mark 12:29 (which you referenced already). Several other parts of the bible acknowledge that God is one God. If this weren't so, Christianity would be polytheistic.

"The Hebrew word for “one” here is echad. It is also used in Genesis 2:24 to refer to a man and #### being “one flesh.” Of course, this two persons in one flesh is used to describe the independence and unity in ########### apt description. The Bible also describes how the many pieces of the tabernacle should be brought together to make “one” structure (Ex. 26:6), and the nation of Israel is “one” nation (2 Sam. 7:23; Ezek. 37:22)—even though it is composed of multiple persons and tribes.

The purpose of the Shema was to remind the people that God was to be worshipped alone (c.f. Ex. ####### ###### Josh. 23:7). This is why the NJPSV renders this passage as, “The LORD is our God, the LORD alone.” Brown cites medieval Jewish interpreters that also had this view—such as Abraham Ibn Ezra and Rashbam"

Brown, Michael L. Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Theological Objections. Vol. 2. Gra## #####s#######aker, 2003. 6.


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"The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of 1 John 5:7.

…is definitely a “later addition” to Biblical text, and it is not found in any of today’s versions of the Bible."

Not sure what you mean by "not found in any of today's version of the Bible" because it clearly is. If you meant the common argument that it's not found in any of the ORIGINAL versions of the bible, I'll explain:

- This is known as the Comma Johanneum. I'll reference it as such from here out.
- While the Comma provides problems for historical framing of Christianity's texts, it doesn't provide an issue for the trinity. Your issue here is that a verse was supposedly inserted to solely fabricate Trinitarian doctrine.

That's partially true. It's widely accepted that the Comma is an insertion and not the word of God. However, read from the translations that come from original Greek and NOT KJV translations, the message is still the same on the Trinity:

(Contemporary English Version) “In fact, there are three who tell about it.”
(The Complete Jewish Bible) “There are three witnesses -”
(C#######dition, New Testament) “And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.”
(Darby) “For they that bear witness are three:”
(English Majority Text Version) “For there are three that bear witness:”
(English Standard Version) “For there are three that testify:”
(Good News Bible) “There are three witnesses:”
(God's Word) “There are three witnesses:”
(########hristian Standard Bible) “For there are three that testify:”
(The Hebrew Names Version) “For there are three who testify:”
(International Standard Version) “For there are three witnesses-”
(Living Oracles New Testament) “And it is the Spirit who testified; because the Spirit is the truth.”
(The Message) “A triple testimony:”
(New American Standard Bible) “For there are three that testify:”

It's clear that despite the problems John 5:7 brings, it doesn't bring anything against the Trinity.


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Finally, the author over at the islamic forum that you borrowed from for your entire argument to "destroy me" makes a serious flaw by stating, "The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity...".

In fact, it's not even close to all there is. There's loads of evidence, even in the Old Testament, In The Beginning:

Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image"


Who is us? It's not humans, because they're not existent yet. It's not angels, because they cannot create.

In fact, "us" is used several times in the Old Testament and Genesis.

"Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us," Genesis 3:22
"Come, let us go down" Genesis 11:7
"Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

Another verse set:

Come near me and listen to this: "From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there. "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit. This is what the LORD says - your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go (Isaiah 48:16,17).

In verse sixteen, God the Son is speaking. He identifies the Father [the Sovereign Lord] and His Spirit as having sent Him. In the next verse, the Son is clearly spoken of as the Lord. Consequently these verses identify three distinct Persons who are God without denying the fact there is only one God.

In the Second Psalm we read.

I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill. I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have begotten you (Psalm 2:6,7)
Later, in that same Psalm, it says.

Kis#########, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in him (Psalm 2:12)

In the Book of Proverbs it says.

Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know! (Proverbs 30:4).



Sorry it took me so long. Trinitarian dogma goes deep into several aspects, but as I've shown, your argument set itself up on a false foundation to make false conclusions.
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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30 Jun 2017 01:47 AM
if you decide to read and reply to what i provided instead of copy/pasting more arguments from islamic forums, i wont be back until late tomorrow night
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