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Re: morale = ego, believing you/your group is the best

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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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25 Jun 2017 07:15 PM
this is basic fact

" An American general defined morale as 'when a soldier thinks his army is the best in the world, his regiment the best in the army, his company the best in the regiment, his squad the best in the company, and that he himself is the best soldier man in the outfit.' "


so ego itself is actually a good thing for clans and shouldnt be denounced

however openly displaying it, or as people commonly cite as "toxicity", is a clear sign of poor disciplined and should be denounced once it gets out of hand.


"The best morale exist when you never hear the word mentioned. When you hear a lot of talk about it, it's usually lousy.” - Eisenhower


so yeah

this wasnt intended to give advice to help the "community" but to help people leading individual clans/giving my own perspective over the common debate of confidence v toxicity
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Danxian is not online. Danxian
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25 Jun 2017 07:17 PM
morale is important but so are morals which a lot of ppls ego let them ignore


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HMAX12 is not online. HMAX12
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25 Jun 2017 07:18 PM
your mom gay lol


Wat you get 4 lunch? I got sainsburys 3 quid meal deal southern fried chicken baguette mccoys flame grilled & diet coke
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25 Jun 2017 07:22 PM
lmfao


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HelliousMonarch is not online. HelliousMonarch
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25 Jun 2017 07:27 PM
so what you're saying is is basically it' good to have pride but not to the point where you're over confidant and have nothing to back it up with, or step on other because of our success


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guges is not online. guges
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25 Jun 2017 07:34 PM
Ego is like betting on yourself. If you win your bet is affirmed and you feel good, but if you lose it stings even more. Losing is necessary to improve, so ego is generally an inhibition when it comes to actually becoming the best. This is why great people often have imposter syndrome, they are eternally driven to prove themselves over and over again because they never truly can in their own eyes.

It's arguable that ego is beneficial in groups, but it's almost always damaging as an individual. Ego is most of the time a decision to say "I'm okay where I am now, it's a good place to be and worth being proud of". That will always stop someone from becoming better. The moment you think you have achieved your goal is the moment you start stagnating.
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TENSHl is not online. TENSHl
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25 Jun 2017 07:36 PM
My clan is actually the best though.


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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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25 Jun 2017 07:41 PM
you can think youre the best while still wanting to find room for improvement, not sure how you find those two to be mutually exclusive
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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25 Jun 2017 07:43 PM
"so what you're saying is is basically its good to have pride but not to the point where you're over confidant and have nothing to back it up with, or step on others because of your success"

yes to first part, no to second

by all means crush inferiors
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guges is not online. guges
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25 Jun 2017 07:44 PM
Anyway ultimately the fear of losing will destroy any great person/structure. It takes true confidence and security in not your actions here and now, but yourself as a person to accept defeat with grace and open arms. When you can do that, you're prepared to truly become great because you're ready to train the right way with the best people (an act that often involves being grossly disadvantaged just due to skill and experience). Noone ever became the best demanding even matches only.

The moment you start avoiding losing is the moment you start avoiding the thing that made you great in the first place. Playing arena fps games and starcraft 2 taught me a lot about this sort of thing. In reflex (an arena fps) people would often reach a point of being worse than average but better than people who just started playing. It's an emotionally distressing place to be because your victories mean nothing and your defeats are just close enough to feel palpable.

The real zen of practice and improvement is to accept defeat as part of the process of improvement and not as something to be avoided. There is a state of mind in which each individual game means nothing, they are all stepping stones to your maximum competency level. Ego is probably one of the most damaging things in reaching this state. Ego is a nail that holds you down to your current competency level, and limits you from letting it go and accepting the many inevitable defeats on the path to perfection.

In starcraft 2 it was completely possible to play the "wrong way" and win the match. But it was not good practice and it would not get you anywhere. You had to accept your defeats playing the "right way" before you could begin to improve. At that point you have to ask yourself, what is more important, becoming great, or winning?

Just my 2 cents on a relatively interesting topic.
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guges is not online. guges
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25 Jun 2017 07:48 PM
Believe you're the best by all means, but don't let that stop you from accepting defeat if it means improvement. "Playing to win" is something that should be practiced with discipline and discretion, if you do it constantly you will degenerate into an undisciplined and stagnate state. You should "play to improve" most of the time in my opinion. The problem with ego is that it makes you fear losing, so you devolve into one of the worst states possible "Play to not lose"
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guges is not online. guges
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25 Jun 2017 07:53 PM
Anyway in my opinion the strongest confidence comes not from believing you will win but a disregard from victory or defeat, since you're content to gain experience and practice from the game either way.
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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25 Jun 2017 08:03 PM
"Playing to win" is something that should be practiced with discipline and discretion, if you do it constantly you will degenerate into an undisciplined and stagnate state."

this is exactly what my point was


the rest of what you said regards how morale can get in the way of other parts of fighting, not how ego is morale and can be applied to clans (which was the point of the thread)
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