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Re: I don't like the Clan Promotion system.

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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 07:50 PM
You only need three ranks--the leader, the HR, and the soldier.

Otherwise, the ranks are arbitrarily assigned by HRs.

LRs and HRs should be equals. It should be about enjoying the game and fighting--not about ranks.


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iZynn is not online. iZynn
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11 Jun 2017 07:50 PM
Preach.


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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 07:51 PM
VAC Level 1 can relate


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Tottenham_Hotspur is not online. Tottenham_Hotspur
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11 Jun 2017 07:51 PM
And so the proletariat revolted
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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 07:56 PM
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xPrimus is not online. xPrimus
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11 Jun 2017 07:56 PM
a Sevoly minion.


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Saevor is online. Saevor
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11 Jun 2017 07:57 PM
agreed
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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11 Jun 2017 07:57 PM
i mean if you plan on just filling a single server with 15 people and calling it a day, sure

but otherwise you're severely limiting yourself to only that, and you're going to be unable to be adaptable with squad-based tactics
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Aerofall is online. Aerofall
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11 Jun 2017 07:57 PM
Unless your clan isn't generic and is based off of a genre which requires specific ranking and command.


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Meliorus is online. Meliorus
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11 Jun 2017 07:58 PM
i'm sure people have thought of this, but

if you're going to stay as one rank some people want rewards
if it's not a mercenary clan, no robux is given
you'll have to be a really close community than enjoys playing roblox together lol


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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 08:00 PM
BloodPatriot,

Are you saying that a lower-LR and upper-LR vary in terms of potency? LRs and MRs are both the same--subject to the will of the HR. The same applies to the MR. I don't see why the MR needs to exist then. Combine the LR and the MR and call it the "Collective."




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bloxed is not online. bloxed
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11 Jun 2017 08:00 PM
change the system
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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 08:06 PM
"if you're going to stay as one rank some people want rewards
if it's not a mercenary clan, no robux is given
you'll have to be a really close community than enjoys playing roblox together lol"

Total dedication is not for the total group of people but for people who are total.


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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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11 Jun 2017 08:13 PM
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SplashesBiggestFan is not online. SplashesBiggestFan
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11 Jun 2017 08:17 PM
well u know what? the clan promotion system, doesnt like u.


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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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11 Jun 2017 11:53 PM
"Are you saying that a lower-LR and upper-LR vary in terms of potency?"

yes? there's literally no reason why this shouldn't differ from real life too much. people are people.



"LRs and MRs are both the same--subject to the will of the HR."

if you force it to be that way under your scenario then yes, otherwise, there's tons of options available in terms of squad tactics. chains of command make it easier and quicker to move troops around and keep them together.



"I don't see why the MR needs to exist then."

the same way local managers exist instead of just executives, to lessen the work load. develop closer ties on the squad or platoon level, make commanding quicker and easier, etc. there's numerous reasons why they exist but those are just a few.



again, your raiding force is going to be 10x less effective if you remove middle ranks or a general "sergeant" type role.
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ElvisPresley32 is not online. ElvisPresley32
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11 Jun 2017 11:55 PM
if you dont understand how military ranks work in real life i can see why you're posting this nonsense
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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11 Jun 2017 11:56 PM
What makes you think so? Have you led a successful group? Do you know what the purpose of the ranking system is. No newcomers will have an incentive to progress if you take out a whole bunch of easier to get low ranks and slap HR right after the first rank.
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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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12 Jun 2017 05:40 PM
I've seen numerous clans claim that their LRs and MRs possess varying amounts of authority. I've scarcely ever seen it in practice. If your members are motivated by ranks rather than service, your clan is of mercenaries not of devout followers.


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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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12 Jun 2017 06:55 PM
"I've scarcely ever seen it in practice."

you don't seem like the bandwagon type of guy so idk why you're using this as an argument
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TheAtlasPremise is not online. TheAtlasPremise
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12 Jun 2017 07:13 PM
I'm saying that your method hasn't been applied well, save for a few exceptions. I believe that you personally would have a higher chance of succeeding with such a system, but the majority of clans that I have seen attempt to implement such a method have yielded inconsequential results.
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Microsoft_Edge is not online. Microsoft_Edge
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12 Jun 2017 07:18 PM
Just because someone works for a rank, doesn't make them a mercenary. Having multiple ranks allows the Officers to evaluate individual performance. If one member works extremely hard compared to others, they will be rewarded for that.


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Jun 2017 12:21 AM
No member joins a group to become a devout follower. They join to try the group out. It's the responsibility of the group to turn them into a loyal member, and incentives play a major role in the process.
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Zalyo is not online. Zalyo
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13 Jun 2017 12:30 AM
Some clans do practice this technique where all the members are equal, but those groups obviously aren't as successful.
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xshafeex is not online. xshafeex
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13 Jun 2017 12:37 AM
People want a progression system. If there's a rank ladder to climb up, it will entice people into putting more time into the clan. Sure, there'd be the progression from LR to HR, but that won't satisfy most people as it will take a long time to reap the rewards of their work. That's why all clans have so many ranks.
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