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Re: Perspective on VAK/CSP War

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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:18 PM
*Note: I've left VAC. Throughout the war, I've always stated on the forums that I've never contradicted or argued against my previous statements on VAK; my beliefs and past statements still stand. As a person that has disliked both groups, I am attempting to eliminate any bias.*
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Most people know me as the person that rants about the clan attitude of "doing anything to win," so let's talk about it some more! The focus on this thread is not going to be the payment of people, but more of a focus on the actual tactics and gameplay of the war.

First, I would like to congratulate VAK for some of their actions during this war, especially in some reversal of their past war actions. Anyone that has known me on the forums knows that I have been a staunch critic of VAK and their actions/tactics for the past 5 years, but I do believe that VAK overall did good this war. Here is why:

At the end of Day 1, the war score was close. Both clans were using their better fighters and selecting who would raid. However, at the start of Day 2, VAK chose to allow all members to participate, whether they be good, average, or indecent fighters. Honestly, some of the people that fought that day were probably never at Varcia.

At the start of Day 2, four (4) raid leaders for VAK were chosen. They each chose about 2-3 people to start. Then, VAK created a line of people that did not participate in any part of the war yet and had all 4 raid leaders choose from that line first. Thus, VAK allowed everyone to participate, no matter how good or bad they were at fighting or tactics.

So, VAK spread out all of the elites, mixed them in with average members, and went into battle. CSP, while I am not blaming them for matching this, simply threw their elites in against every single one of the "average" VAK servers. People then wonder why VAK started losing so much...?

Anyways, VAK reversed some of their progression of the clan attitude by allowing EVERY person to fight; VAK focused on *participation* and *enjoyment* rather than winning, and I commend them on this.
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While VAK allowed every person to participate, what did CSP did the opposite and exiled nearly 140 people (Their average members) in order to prevent losses. They did the exact opposite of VAK; CSP worried so much about winning that they actually kicked people out of their group whereas VAK allowed every member to participate.

Again, people wonder why CSP started winning so much.

CSP's exiles and use of "elites" only show how much they progressed the clan attitude of "doing anything to win." Rather than allowing everyone to participate, they engaged in the "devaluation of the average member" - an idea that groups should only use elites and not average members, or newer members. *Hint: The devaluation of the average member is why clans are dying :O!*
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Now, I'm not saying that VAK was losing only because they allowed everyone to fight. This is one of the main reasons, but I think it would be disrespectful towards CSP to say this. Overall, CSP did have better tactics. However, the extent of these tactics cannot be measured because, again, VAK mixed elites with average members whereas CSP used pure elites and kicked out people they thought weren't good enough.
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Lastly, VAK won the war. You can point to the war score all you want, but to say that VAK is that far behind so they lost is incorrect; VAK only suffered the most losses because CSP got scared and pulled out. CSP agreed to the endurance war and CSP pulled out of the endurance war. They began to lose members, morale, and raids. They stopped the war to prevent the loss of the only thing they had left: the lead.
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TL;DR

VAK did some good in the war by allowing everyone to participate in the war since Day 2. CSP threw their elites in and kicked out their average members in order to prevent losses. Then people wonder why VAK started losing.

VAK successfully reversed some of their progress of the clan attitude of "doing anything to win," and I congratulate them for doing so.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:19 PM
Oh also, the entire war overall is merely a perpetuation of the clan attitude that I have fought against.
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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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10 Jun 2017 07:20 PM
FOR THE WOLF!
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FragileSilence is not online. FragileSilence
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10 Jun 2017 07:20 PM
+rep for no bias.
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hawqs is not online. hawqs
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10 Jun 2017 07:21 PM
I need the TL;DR of the TL;Dr.


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:22 PM
@Hawqs

TL;DR of the TL;DR:

VAK did good for clan world by letting everyone fight, CSP did bad.
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IntenseSnows is not online. IntenseSnows
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10 Jun 2017 07:25 PM
*claps*


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Moonsoo_II is online. Moonsoo_II
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10 Jun 2017 07:25 PM
I need the TL;DR of the TL;DR of the TL;DR
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hawqs is not online. hawqs
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10 Jun 2017 07:26 PM
I need the TL;DR of ### ####### TL;DR..
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:27 PM
TL;DR of the TL;DR of the TL;DR:

VAK did some good, CSP bad.
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hawqs is not online. hawqs
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10 Jun 2017 07:27 PM
Darnit! Should've previewed it first.


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hawqs is not online. hawqs
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10 Jun 2017 07:27 PM
The SHORTEST TL;DR to be given.


*Caveman era*

Oog, VAK good, CSP bad.


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Moonsoo_II is online. Moonsoo_II
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10 Jun 2017 07:28 PM
I need the TL;DR of the TL;DR of the TL;DR of the TL;DR
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:28 PM
instructions unclear, computer ended up in microwave
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TranscendentGlory is not online. TranscendentGlory
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10 Jun 2017 07:29 PM
I want to see Nederlandz and E981 do an essay battle on the status of the clan world.
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Darkggod0 is not online. Darkggod0
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10 Jun 2017 07:29 PM
CSP didn't let all there members fight haha wow

Anyways VAK won, nice post


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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10 Jun 2017 07:30 PM
hey i need some kind of competition at least... :/
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The_Sponginator is not online. The_Sponginator
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10 Jun 2017 07:30 PM
:D


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DemonTitan is online. DemonTitan
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10 Jun 2017 07:32 PM
Interesting.
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ActualOps is not online. ActualOps
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10 Jun 2017 07:35 PM
Well said.


𝓕𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓮𝓭
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Shinedown204 is online. Shinedown204
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10 Jun 2017 07:37 PM
Agreed with everything that was said, very well put comrade.
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Guneration is not online. Guneration
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10 Jun 2017 07:38 PM
i Love it Comrade
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WizardlyShadow is not online. WizardlyShadow
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10 Jun 2017 07:41 PM
Agreed Ned comrade. o7


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IcyRedemption is not online. IcyRedemption
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10 Jun 2017 07:44 PM
If VAK did use their regular people, props to them. You're commending them for *NOT* doing anything to win, and you condemn CSP for the same. Read through this forum, just curious to see your thoughts.

https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=218601965
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WarSentinel is online. WarSentinel
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10 Jun 2017 07:44 PM
Respected lad.
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