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Re: Why LeBron James will likely not be better than MJ

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XXPane88XX is not online. XXPane88XX
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30 May 2017 08:37 AM
You can talk all you want about his records, you can talk all you want about his rings, but that won't change this one, solid fact:
He's always had a Big 3, or at least another stud teammate on his team when he wins championships.
Kyrie.
Wade.
Bosh.
Love.
Hell, even Dellavadova. He's always had someone there to back him up.
Back in CLE, when he was young. No big 3, no championship. MJ practically carried his team. James isn't the MVP because he's not the most valuable guy. Sure, he's one of the best ever, no doubt. But that doesn't change that he's had a great team around him EVERY. SINGLE. CHAMPIONSHIP.
Unless he gets a ring without a single stud teammate, then he will never pass a man that is the GOAT.


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SinisterUSA is not online. SinisterUSA
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30 May 2017 09:21 AM
MJ had pippen
kukoc
rodman
longley

L0L, even great players need help


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30 May 2017 09:42 AM
out of all of those, the only one who was even at the level that ##################### are/were at was pippen kukoc was a BENCH player LOL rodman was just a big man, nothing special longley was constantly injured can't spell deli without an L
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30 May 2017 09:42 AM
kyrie
love
wade
bosh


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SinisterUSA is not online. SinisterUSA
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30 May 2017 10:51 AM
wade and bosh were always injured too after 2011 lol
kyrie deals with knee problems, especially shattering 1 in 2015


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XXPane88XX is not online. XXPane88XX
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30 May 2017 10:54 AM
that doesn't change the fact that he's HAD them
ALSO:
2015 was the season they LOST to GSW
so that proves my point more than it helps yours


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trvisXX is online. trvisXX
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30 May 2017 11:58 AM
"Unless he gets a ring without a single stud teammate, then he will never pass a man that is the GOAT. "

how many rings did jordan win without pippen



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SinisterUSA is not online. SinisterUSA
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30 May 2017 12:12 PM
Ignorance is a sad thing that exists in the world.

in 3 of the 4 finals losses james has had, he had no help.


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30 May 2017 01:24 PM
you just said LeBron isn't the most valuable guy but like lets think about this.

Out of all the players on Cleveland who do you think they'd get the most for if they traded away.
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hancock3 is online. hancock3
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30 May 2017 02:26 PM
MJ never CARRIED a team to a nba finals


Lebron did that in 07




Way too early for people to say lebron is better than MJ or MJ is always going to be better than lebron


wait until lebron's career is over to make the comparison
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Dame_Lillard is not online. Dame_Lillard
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30 May 2017 02:33 PM
Two things.

1. Considering DellyDova as a "big 3" dude is a...hot take, to say the least.

2. Jordan had a solid roster around him during the team's dominance.

To consider one being better than the other is pretty difficult, people will bring up teammates, individual stats, awards, the era they played in.

Personally I give the nod to LeBron just because he went from Cleveland, made that average roster a top Finals contender, left, went to Miami, went on a tear, came BACK to Cleveland and IMMEDIATELY brought them back in top tier. Remember, Cleveland was garbage without LBJ when he left.

Respect your opinion though, they're both GOATs and people should stop arguing about it so much.
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30 May 2017 03:07 PM
"MJ had pippen
kukoc
rodman
longley"

He did not not any of them except Pippen
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30 May 2017 03:10 PM
"in 3 of the 4 finals losses james has had, he had no help."

2007 NBA Finals- No true star, swept
2011 NBA Finals- Wade and Bosh
2014 NBA Finals- Wade and Bosh
2015 NBA Finals- Love and Irving injured (doesn't really count that he didn't have help cause they still won 2 games)
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30 May 2017 03:24 PM
james had no help in his early celveland days
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XXPane88XX is not online. XXPane88XX
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30 May 2017 03:56 PM
yes
THAT IS MY POINT:
if he doesn't have help, a true GOAT would step up and carry that team anyway
if he has no help
then he loses the finals
simple as that
my point is, if you gave MJ the same big three as james has, he'd win almost every championship. he'd be a bigger goat than he already is


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SinisterUSA is not online. SinisterUSA
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31 May 2017 09:19 AM
"in 3 of the 4 finals losses james has had, he had no help."

2007 NBA Finals- No true star, swept
2011 NBA Finals- Wade and Bosh -- i did say 3 of the 4, this was the 1 he choked
2014 NBA Finals- Wade and Bosh -- injuries plagued them, all they did was run on the court
2015 NBA Finals- Love and Irving injured (doesn't really count that he didn't have help cause they still won 2 games) doesnt count? you know if they had irving alone they would have won.


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31 May 2017 09:39 AM
Lebron had no help when he made it to the finals #### vs SA) That's why he got swept. Lebron is definitely the most valuable player in the NBA. MJ had Pippen. IF LEBRON JAMES WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP AGAINST A HEALTHY WARRIORS TEAM THIS YEAR, HE HAS TO BE IN CONVERSATION FOR THE GREATEST. POINT BLANK PERIOD.
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zeuz7474 is not online. zeuz7474
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31 May 2017 09:41 AM
He has no help, yet he can still carry a team to the finals, that's really impressive.
If Lebron stayed in Miami, where would Cleveland be right now?


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31 May 2017 10:26 AM
still probably a playoff team, mostly because they have IRVING AND LOVE<<<<
"he has no help"
>no



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31 May 2017 10:27 AM
i don't think you get the point sin
if he were better than MJ, he would have won the 2015 NBA finals without help
he shouldn't need irving


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31 May 2017 01:39 PM
This is so stupid. Micheal Jordan was swept twice (in the first round!) in the playoffs with no help. Lebron took the Cavs to the finals with no help.


At the end of Lebron's career he will over take Jordan.
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31 May 2017 01:52 PM
LOL the cavs without james were a LOTTERY TEAM. ############### even with irving and love, stats dont lie they were 0-9 (WINLESS) without james playing. (In 2016-17 regular season) even though kyrie and love are all-stars, they cant lead a team without ###### ##### is the key factor to the cavaliers success. "個多級有 氧能力測試逐步變得越 來越 困難因為 它繼續" - sinisterusa
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31 May 2017 01:53 PM
tagged words are the years of when the cavaliers were lottery teams


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31 May 2017 01:56 PM
"i don't think you get the point sin
if he were better than MJ, he would have won the 2015 NBA finals without help
he shouldn't need irving"

are you stupid? do you really expect a ONE MAN ARMY with the best player A ROLE PLAYER to win against the MVP, Klay, Green, Bogut, and Iggy?
just end this convo now, you have no idea what youre saying. No man, or team has even won with only 1 allstar in the finals.


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zeuz7474 is not online. zeuz7474
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31 May 2017 05:12 PM
I think you mean the Back to back MVP in curry, and the former MVP in Durant, with the other member of the splash brothers, Green, Iggy, and a stacked bench #### Just helping you justify your point.
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