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| 10 May 2017 12:03 AM |
serious question, because after it the clan world started to deteriorate.
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| 10 May 2017 12:04 AM |
It was the last major conflict of its type and popularity.
Other major clans have warred since then but none came close to being as intense, lengthy, and populated as that one.
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| 10 May 2017 12:05 AM |
| yeah i miss good and real wars like the rat one |
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Seviro
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| 10 May 2017 12:07 AM |
Scandals aside it was a very intense and exciting war
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| 10 May 2017 12:15 AM |
VAK has some blood on its hands.
3 wars really define how clans interact nowadays.
RAT-VAK war, it really ushered in the wars of scale from 2012-2013, that's where you find most modern leaders and where they come from. It was a very edgy war but you couldn't pin point exactly where clans would go next. We still had space to grow. We had figures like CT and others but it laid the groundwork for TGI to become a clan.
TGI-VAK war, where we see the first large cracks in how clans interact, with a win or die attitude. This happened during the RCL era, and I think after this war, it became increasingly impossible for less skilled people to stand any chance against a more skilled crowd, really hurting the superclan recruiting process and making powerclans have to rely on the same recycling member base. I also find this era distinct because its also when clans everywhere tried to emulate TGI and VAK to a tee.
VOID-VAK war, now this is when I really lost faith in the clan system. It caused war negotiations and winning to take complete center stage instead of actually having fun. It's a terrible era to start in because most clans get raided by powerclans, and superclan's new members stand absolutely no chance against the years of practice powerclan members do. This war was so bad for clans that even VAK is scared to go to war unless they get strict negotiations in fear of the underdog trying to take them out from a bandwagon. CSP is just the newest clan VAK will not war because they don't want to lose. Even as a VAK member you can admit this.
I know this is long and stuff but it's pretty true, I've been here a long time and I have a lot of things to say about where clans are now. I don't see clans then through rose tinted glasses, I just admit that it's not as good as it used to be. They lack most of the fun and wonder they used to have. |
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WannaBet
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| 10 May 2017 12:20 AM |
| No, clans were declining prior to that. Some argue that VAK killed clans because it progressed an attitude where winning meant everything, even if it led to an experience that no one enjoyed partaking in. There's some ground to it, but VAK has been around for many years prior to the deterioration of clans, and its attitude towards winning wars isn't something unique to the post deterioration 'era'. The real killer of the clan community are forum clans like VOID which popularized the use of the forums as reliable recruitment channel. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:33 AM |
"No, clans were declining prior to that. Some argue that VAK killed clans because it progressed an attitude where winning meant everything, even if it led to an experience that no one enjoyed partaking in. There's some ground to it, but VAK has been around for many years prior to the deterioration of clans, and its attitude towards winning wars isn't something unique to the post deterioration 'era'. The real killer of the clan community are forum clans like VOID which popularized the use of the forums as reliable recruitment channel."
VAK may have been around for many years but it was always viewed as the hallmark of the clan world. Something everyone should be moving towards to be effective. VAK has always strived for victory, but it never went to the measure its does today. A self fulfilling cycle of more extreme measures did this. When you see the best clan on ROBLOX doing something, your clan tries to do the same exact things. Recall that VAK is the first significant group to push 10v15s and 15v15s, among other formerly rejected practices. Even VOID modeled itself after VAK's systems. It may have used untapped potential from the forums, but it was not VOID that caused this behavior. It was a response to VAK's style of clan running.
(And honestly, it was VAK's behavior that created so much angst in the forums to knock the king's crown off their head) |
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| 10 May 2017 12:35 AM |
| If you miss good wars, I better see that VAK CSP war accepted by your end this weekend |
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| 10 May 2017 12:37 AM |
Maybe CSP-VAK will finally shift the clan world.
Pax-Vaktovia really needs to end so clans can stretch out again and be innovative, even if that means killing the current order. |
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Noveum
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| 10 May 2017 12:38 AM |
| Probably the biggest event in the past 3 years lmao. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:39 AM |
| I hope CSP keeps their composure and clearly calls out what VAK will attempt to do to win the war.The only thing standing in their way of doing this is their own member's behavior. VOID also had this problem. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:40 AM |
VAK isn't going to war with CSP
CSP already has too many wins on SMO |
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| 10 May 2017 12:41 AM |
| Then CSP should follow its policy of getting 50 wins and moving on. Claim victory, and everyone on C&G will know who won. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:43 AM |
clans died off when people grew up
that war was the last of the original C&G community |
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| 10 May 2017 12:45 AM |
| Hopefully ROverse will fix these issues. |
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WannaBet
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| 10 May 2017 12:45 AM |
@Going
Most of that is false. The clan world didn't aspire to be like VAK prior to late '12 / early '13. Clans were much more concerned with their ability to push their places to the front page, having the most members, and rallying the most people than they were at garnering the most skilled fighters. VAK, like many other smaller groups, was shunned and undermined by most of the community for its small size [and lack of diplomacy].
Forum clans like VOID did adopt similar models to those of VAK, but as opposed to VAK, which kept its views insulated within itself, forum groups aggressively promoted the idea that the value of clans solely consists of military performance. They humiliated groups very beneficial groups that had different views like FEAR, who play an important role in bringing in most of the community members we have today. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:46 AM |
@fire
I have no idea why I'm still here |
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| 10 May 2017 12:48 AM |
| i tell myself the same thing dude lmao |
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| 10 May 2017 12:49 AM |
'clans died off when people grew up'
Empty, meaningless statement. People were leaving clans since '09, the only reason the decline didn't start back then is because there were more people being brought into the clan world than there were leaving it. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:52 AM |
| I honestly believe it's got to do with the demographic shift of roblox players from kids in their early teens and preteens to kids under the age of 10 more than anything else |
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| 10 May 2017 12:54 AM |
@Guges
Definetly
ROBLOX was totally unknown back in '09, now every underground YouTuber plays it. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:54 AM |
The RAT-VAK war occurred during late 2012. This is inline with the thesis.
Seeing VAK in that war and after it were where clans like VOID and TGI began.
ISO was a RAT member I think, and Brickster was a VAK member. The way those clans ran were in direct response to how VAK handled itself. One emulating (TGI), one a twisted emulation (VOID).
RAT-VAK spawned the leaders TGI-VAK spawned the style VOID-VAK spawned the attitude
Even if VAK isn't responsible for this, it is still somehow involved in most significant wars where clans shift. |
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WannaBet
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| 10 May 2017 12:57 AM |
Why are you upset fire? It's not my fault that you are stupid.
@Going
I know. I agree that VAK certainly influenced the creation of groups like VOID and TGI, but it did not influence their recruitment strategies. It was ISO's decision to popularize the use of the forums for recruitment and to undermine all groups who were not militarily inclined. VAK had nothing to do with that particular choice. |
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| 10 May 2017 12:57 AM |
sorry i didnt statistically analyze why the lego clan world is dying
you need a hobby |
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