Forenz
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:26 PM |
| Are the ones who haven't lived in a communist system |
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:27 PM |
We would rather not.
Sounds like total crap. |
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Seviro
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:27 PM |
or, you know, the people who escaped/survived a communist regime and lived to tell the tale
r+://290109653 |
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Alienous
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DesuIate
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:28 PM |
| Funny how the majority of the world didn't live in a certain ideological system and attempt to criticize it |
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Forenz
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:30 PM |
If we're talking in terms of the USSR, it depends where you're from
The communist ideology, in a sense of absolute equality, permitted a certain technological and infrastructural in poor countries, like the one I'm from, Armenia, especially right after a Jenocide |
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Forenz
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:31 PM |
| development in poor countries* |
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Armanos
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Wights
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:32 PM |
Thats because all commie systems fail
Get off this subforum you hammer and sickle wielding baboon
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:32 PM |
isn't it funny how people who love communism
are the ones who haven't lived in a communist system |
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Forenz
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:33 PM |
| Yes, it goes both ways, much like everything in this world |
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:41 PM |
"That's because all commie systems fail"
Not true. Look up "Socialism Has Never Worked?" by Xexizy. It outlines several socialist/communist societies and states which have succeeded in their goals. A few of them still exist today and are doing fine. |
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DesuIate
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:48 PM |
| Ah yes please enlighten me on how communism works and the benefits it brings to the masses |
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:56 PM |
Sure, Desulate! For instance, France René was the socialist president of Seychelles for 27 years. In 1977, supporters of René installed him as president in a coup d'etat. After coming to power, René declared that he was not a Soviet-style communist, but rather an "Indian Ocean socialist." After the 1977 coup, a significant portion of the population fled to the UK and South Africa due to fear of political persecution. With assistance from the United States and South Africa, these deserters attempted to launch multiple coups through South African mercenaries. These all failed and the mercenaries were detained, later being exchanged for ransom. During the many years of his Presidency, René was an extremely well-loved and respected national figure. He managed to turn Seychelles from a poverty-stricken country to a middle income well-governed state, with universal health coverage and over 90% literacy rate. He led his country to the point of being the most developed country in Africa, as measured by the Human Development Index, and helped build one of the continent's highest gross domestic products per capita. His supporters believe that he had solid social priorities, including his government's extensive funding of education, health care and the environment. Critical indicators such as infant mortality, literacy rate, and economic well-being are among the best in the continent. During his rule, Seychelles avoided the volatile political climate and underdevelopment in neighbouring island countries such as Comoros and Madagascar. His extreme popularity allowed him to win many presidential elections, up to and including the 2001 election. In 2004, René stepped down from the presidency. For the time being, he continues as leader of the Seychelles People's Progressive Front. |
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Vidkun
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:57 PM |
communism was responsible for the deaths of over 58 million people (more than homicide alone) in the last century.
its never worked and never will. |
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:58 PM |
| But it's currently working in several places, and has worked in the past in many more. Look up "Socialism Has Never Worked?" by Xexizy. |
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DesuIate
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| 24 Mar 2017 11:59 PM |
| So it's not communism and it's on a measly population ok thanks gotcha |
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Vidkun
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:00 AM |
| communism and socialism are different |
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:00 AM |
| Funny how hard all of you are being baited right now |
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:03 AM |
Wait, why are you moving the goalposts? It doesn't count as socialism in the Seychelles because the population is ~90,000 people? How about the Free Territory of Ukraine? It had a population of roughly 7 million people! The Black Army defended this area known as the Free Territory, which was an anarcho-communist society that functioned independently of the Bolsheviks. In 1918, the Black Army was formed from the unification of several bands of Ukrainian anarcho-communist guerrillas. From about 15,000 troops, they numbered over 100,000 by the end of the year. With the protection of the Black Army, the Free Territory created a society based on co-operation with no state power, no politicians, and subsequently no concept of property. They called for freedom of speech, press, assembly, and unions. The Makhnovists supported free worker-peasant soviets and opposed the central government. They threw open the prisons, blew up police stations, overthrew the bosses, and returned power directly to the workers. There were various congresses of soviets, in which all political parties and groups (including Bolsheviks) were permitted to participate, to the extent that members of these parties were elected delegates from worker, peasant, or militia councils. The Bolshevik government sided with the Makhnovists, seeing it as an experiment. Lenin called the Makhnovists important for the revolution, saying their influence would "speed up the victory of communism over capital and its authority." Trotsky saw things differently than Lenin, unfortunately. He referred to them as "bandits" and "kulaks", making ridiculous claims of them stealing Bolshevik supplies, and even breaking their non-aggression treaty on multiple occasions. In 1919, Trotsky made the official order to crush the Makhnovists. They managed to hold out until 1921, but were unable to win against the strength of both the White and Red Armies, which were 24 and 30 times bigger then them, respectively. The Makhnovists continued to have an underground presence until the 1940s, even fighting in the Second World War. |
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Forenz
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:06 AM |
As some of you said, you'll probably never live in a communist system, ignoring the fact "real communism has never existed"
I don't see why you should complain about something you'll never endure, that's exactly the attitude systems axed around "economic freedom and development" that resurfaces in society, spoiled first-world'iness
I'm sure that the communist system won't be repressed by the opinion of someone refuses to consider it anyway, local populations that have lived in it know exactly what it is
"Surviving" communism means just not agreeing with it, and I don't really have a problem with that either
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Vidkun
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:07 AM |
its not communism because its exactly what he said it was
socialist |
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Vidkun
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| 25 Mar 2017 12:08 AM |
"I don't see why you should complain about something you'll never endure"
i dont see why you should act like youve experienced something youll never experience |
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