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Re: [How To] Stop Clothing Copying

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Cpnwimvu is not online. Cpnwimvu
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13 Mar 2016 12:11 PM
Since NBC Shirt Creators was recently deleted, and Roblox just announced R15 with even more option for user-created content, now seems an appropriate time to make this suggestion:

Make copying clothing against Roblox Terms of Service.

The last major update to support existing and new designers was the addition of price floors. When price floors were implemented in 2013, Roblox gave three main reasons for doing so:
1. Raise the quality of items in the catalog.
2. Reward makers and sellers of clothing.
3. To incentivize non-paying users to buy ROBUX.
They even stated at the time that “One huge problem is copying. If I make a great shirt and sell it for 20 R$, it’s fairly easy to copy it and sell the copy for 19. Or 10. Or 1. ROBLOX wants to reward creativity, not copying.” But a more effective method to reward creativity would be to ban copying in the first place.

Implementation of this rule could be difficult, but there are several possible systems which could all be put in place to enforce it.

First, Roblox could block access to asset pages in browsers. This would prevent the most common method of copying, though not all, and not some of the high quality copies. Additionally, the item textures could possibly be blocked, as seems to be the case with one shirt Roblox uploaded, at http://www.roblox.com/RBXM-RobloxUShirt-item?id=176086704.

Second, a copied content reporting system with a new category of report could be added. When a user reports copied content, they must provide a link to the original, and that original must be one of their items, so that only designers would be reporting copies of their work and the system wouldn’t get too bogged down. After providing the link, a program would compare the two upload dates to verify that the reporter’s item was created first. Then, an algorithm would compare the images within the template areas, and if sufficiently identical, delete the copy (such as [Content Deleted] for inappropriate items) and transfer all sales numbers, favorites, and ownership to the original design(er). The profits could likely not be transferred since the copier probably spent them, but stopping the copy from gaining more momentum would be sufficient. If the algorithm did not show the two items to be identical, the templates of the two items would then go to a human moderator to answer simply “are these effectively the same item, yes or no?” because the copier may have simply changed a few pixels to outsmart the algorithm. Then the same statistics transfer would take place. Initially, this would probably increase work for moderators, but once the copying ban becomes well-established, the workload would sharply decrease as it seems the majority of file uploads reviewed by image moderators now are copies. (This system also means that if you copy for yourself because price floors are too high, and don’t sell it, if the designer doesn’t care they can let you keep it.)

Third, repeat copying offenses after the implementation of this rule could result in multiple punishments. The usual escalation of bans could take place, or a user could be prevented from uploading items for a certain time period (e.g. you cannot upload any clothes for the next 48 hours). Additionally, repeat offenders could receive a label on their items warning users that the item may be copied, and be declined from cashing out their sales with DevEx as that money should really go to the original designers.



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Cpnwimvu is not online. Cpnwimvu
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13 Mar 2016 12:12 PM
Tl;dr: Block browser access to asset pages, add a copied content reporting/moderation system, and punish copiers to keep them from uploading more items.


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GracefullyGlacious is not online. GracefullyGlacious
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13 Mar 2016 12:15 PM
support, people put effort into clothing and i think the copying needs to stop


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AlphaOmegaVII is not online. AlphaOmegaVII
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13 Mar 2016 12:20 PM
Finally, a good idea on this forum!


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JackaIope is not online. JackaIope
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13 Mar 2016 12:23 PM
absolute support >:^0!!!


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13 Mar 2016 12:25 PM
support
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WebGL3D is online. WebGL3D
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13 Mar 2016 12:36 PM
yes this


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Khidorahian is not online. Khidorahian
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13 Mar 2016 12:38 PM
how about no


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YourCaesarSalad is not online. YourCaesarSalad
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13 Mar 2016 12:41 PM
#support #ownerofthe2ndlargestclothingcompany #15kmembers
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xiPastel_Jeni is not online. xiPastel_Jeni
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13 Mar 2016 12:45 PM
I quite agree <3


Jeni~
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AprilKnows is not online. AprilKnows
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13 Mar 2016 12:46 PM
Support



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Willowinq is not online. Willowinq
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13 Mar 2016 12:47 PM
support
definitely
support

#Code print "i am trash but at least my trashbag is designer ;)"
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DopeSir is not online. DopeSir
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13 Mar 2016 12:55 PM
support x10000
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bloodyroblox12 is not online. bloodyroblox12
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13 Mar 2016 01:03 PM
no


#code print (no life)
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Cpnwimvu is not online. Cpnwimvu
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13 Mar 2016 01:06 PM
If you have a reason why not, please explain. The enforcement system could be changed accordingly.


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bloodyroblox12 is not online. bloodyroblox12
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13 Mar 2016 01:07 PM
no,no


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SimplyPixel is not online. SimplyPixel
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13 Mar 2016 01:08 PM
@salad that's not relevant

support cpnwimvu, respect
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Cpnwimvu is not online. Cpnwimvu
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13 Mar 2016 01:08 PM
Alright, thanks.


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bloodyroblox12 is not online. bloodyroblox12
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13 Mar 2016 01:10 PM
no,no,no


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SimplyPixel is not online. SimplyPixel
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13 Mar 2016 01:10 PM
@bloody your trolling isn't appreciated in s&i
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bloodyroblox12 is not online. bloodyroblox12
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13 Mar 2016 01:11 PM
ok


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Zeritillies is not online. Zeritillies
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13 Mar 2016 01:19 PM
I totally agree! #StopCopying
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Zriangle is not online. Zriangle
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13 Mar 2016 01:23 PM
support


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TheAddictPlayer is not online. TheAddictPlayer
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13 Mar 2016 01:28 PM
Full Support


"When you're gonna do something stupid then don't do it it's simple as 123" - TheAddictPlayer
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iMonotune is not online. iMonotune
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13 Mar 2016 01:52 PM
I'm in full support, cpn! If for no other reason than I love the work of designers and hate to see them copied unjustly.


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