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Re: So is the issue mine or his?

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skzr is not online. skzr
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18 Mar 2017 10:44 AM
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=212248173
Decided he wanted revisions

a/YCncX

Seriously?
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riav is not online. riav
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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18 Mar 2017 10:47 AM
Well, they payed for something in the blind.
It's your choice whether to have that reputation or not.
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MarshalSZK4 is online. MarshalSZK4
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18 Mar 2017 10:49 AM
Stop making it a big deal, they can't do anything to hurt your reputation so you shouldn't care.


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latedownload is online. latedownload
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18 Mar 2017 10:51 AM
TES is full of ######## https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFqPLB1mGEo
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 10:51 AM
I mean you're making a big deal out of it showing it's an issue to you so??


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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skzr is not online. skzr
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18 Mar 2017 10:56 AM
Guess i'll just sit back lol
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 10:57 AM
Poor customer service = bad review = less customers in the future


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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riav is not online. riav
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18 Mar 2017 10:59 AM
Marshal, you clearly don't understand how these things work.
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War_Force is not online. War_Force
Joined: 15 Apr 2016
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18 Mar 2017 10:59 AM
This isn't even your first time making the mistake.

Simply don't beg for money before even finishing the logo.
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 11:04 AM
War_Force must really hate skzr....


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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War_Force is not online. War_Force
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18 Mar 2017 11:09 AM
Yeah he begs for money halfway through then goes onto ranting about them wanting a refund because they felt mislead.

Literary fix yourself.
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Iso_Didact is not online. Iso_Didact
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18 Mar 2017 11:10 AM
since you showed what was done halfway and she still agreed to pay the amount and keep you working on it till the end result i think it is her fault

just because vos doesnt like it doesnt make her entitled to a refund and if she doesnt want a remake then its her problem. she didnt give enough details in the first place and "undeady" and "idk void like" arent very helpful

she paid him to do the job and he did it how he though she wanted it, and just because it didnt take him long doesnt mean there was no time and effort

next time vos should know exactly what she wants if she's prepared to spend real bucks

so imo the issue is with vos and u should just ignore her and carry on with ur work


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skzr is not online. skzr
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18 Mar 2017 11:13 AM
Yeah diesoft told me so too lol
Missed myself there lol
Guess i'll just sit back and chill here
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Voslaaarum is not online. Voslaaarum
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18 Mar 2017 11:14 AM
The majority of people commenting here are just people who have issues with TES for no issue.





Let me clear something up.
This money isn't even mine. It's vaiker's money, he paid 25 bucks because I asked him to and he did it for TES and I felt like total crap when we got given a logo that after paying, he made barely any changes to, sold it to us and said he "had to go".

Vaiker is no longer serving TES and I just feel bad and want him to have his money back, what we got was not worth his money and it was a total scam.


Yeah I can give him revisions to make but honestly I don't want the logo anymore. It's just a reminder of this whole crappy situation why would I want to be reminded of it every time i click on my group page.




And saying that skzr is in the right here is wrong becasue his actions as a seller is disgusting and disgraceful. I've spoken with people throguhout the dev forums and they all agree this is not how a seller should be handling his customer complaints.
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 11:14 AM
I mean skzr could have TRIED to ask for more specific details but the chatlogs show him going along with the vague information Vos provided.

It's a fault on his side too.


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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Iso_Didact is not online. Iso_Didact
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18 Mar 2017 11:15 AM
i have no problems with TES and its not his fault u used a friends money and not ur own u made that decision


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iu8 is not online. iu8
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18 Mar 2017 11:16 AM
Okay. She said I love you James.
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 11:17 AM
But it is his fault for not even trying to meet the customers needs? And then to go to the forums about it? Shows ### ############ to be honest. He's only looking for people who'll side with him so he can feel better about himself and continue to ignore Vos. The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier ### wins the war.
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War_Force is not online. War_Force
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18 Mar 2017 11:18 AM
Plus if you thought that the logo was worth what it was you simply would refund and went onto forums asking if anyone wants to buy it.

No you did know that what you've made was not what he paid for and instead went onto making a big chaos out of this.

And I wouldn't even said it's their fault, you've done this before so idk how can you get something wrong more than TWICE.

Shows you don't learn from your own mistakes.
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Profounder is not online. Profounder
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18 Mar 2017 11:18 AM
this smurf is a top tier memester...
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
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18 Mar 2017 11:19 AM
Hi proneverfoundedanything

how you doin'?


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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Iso_Didact is not online. Iso_Didact
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18 Mar 2017 11:20 AM
however in the logs it does show him asking again for more specific details in which vos replies

"i dont get what kind of details im supposed to give"

if vos doesnt even know what she wants how is the designer meant to know

if you leave the design idea to the designer and pay before its done then you are plain stupid you cant expect them to magically make it exactly how u want it

thats like going for a haircut and just saying "give me a good haircut"


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Profounder is not online. Profounder
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18 Mar 2017 11:21 AM
i founded you.......
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Voslaaarum is not online. Voslaaarum
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18 Mar 2017 11:23 AM
Ok enough of this "vos didn't give enough details"

Here's all my ###### details.
[3/5/2017 5:14:58 PM] skezor: What's the details anyway
[3/5/2017 5:15:53 PM] Voslaaarum: I really just like your style in general, so check out this group: https://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=2990069
[3/5/2017 5:16:05 PM] Voslaaarum: pretty much red/black
[3/5/2017 5:16:07 PM] Voslaaarum: the genre is undead
[3/5/2017 5:16:11 PM] Voslaaarum: undead/scourge
[3/5/2017 5:16:52 PM] skezor: I'll finish it in an hour more or less since i'm only available for few hours, and you'll need to pay when i'm halfway that fine
[3/5/2017 5:17:01 PM] skezor: more specific details?
[3/5/2017 5:17:06 PM] skezor: or that's the only details
[3/5/2017 5:19:57 PM] skezor: Hmm?
[3/5/2017 5:20:07 PM] Voslaaarum: thinking, asking people in ts3
[3/5/2017 5:20:10 PM] Voslaaarum: ok so
[3/5/2017 5:20:19 PM] Voslaaarum: we need it to be something that we can symbolize in building
[3/5/2017 5:20:27 PM] Voslaaarum: so you know how people can BUILD the VOID logo
[3/5/2017 5:20:37 PM] Voslaaarum: ofc not the fancy shades and stuff, that's good for the logo
[3/5/2017 5:20:46 PM] Voslaaarum: but make sure it has some structure to it
[3/5/2017 5:20:48 PM] Voslaaarum: that we can build.
[3/5/2017 5:20:51 PM] Voslaaarum: you feel?
[3/5/2017 5:21:10 PM] Voslaaarum: the reason why we like our current logo is we can draw it and build it. so maybe something like our current but enhanced and OP
[3/5/2017 5:21:45 PM] skezor: Give some examples
[3/5/2017 5:24:07 PM] skezor: Hmm?
[3/5/2017 5:24:08 PM] Voslaaarum: vak logo
[3/5/2017 5:24:11 PM] Voslaaarum: void logo
[3/5/2017 5:24:14 PM] Voslaaarum: our current logo
[3/5/2017 5:24:30 PM] Voslaaarum: something that has simple shapes to it so we can build it, but then add on your shiny amazing super effect touches
[3/5/2017 5:25:18 PM] skezor: I get it
[3/5/2017 5:25:23 PM] Voslaaarum: cant think of much more but u got it right
[3/5/2017 5:25:27 PM] skezor: Not like skilled force's right
[3/5/2017 5:25:34 PM] skezor: No complicated shapes?
[3/5/2017 5:25:48 PM] Voslaaarum: skilled force is hella nice but we'd like something that's symbolic so yeah no
[3/5/2017 5:25:51 PM] Voslaaarum: more like vak/void
[3/5/2017 5:26:20 PM] skezor: Mhm
[3/5/2017 5:27:06 PM] skezor: I'll start now
[3/5/2017 5:27:27 PM] Voslaaarum: sounds good :) excited to see this, i always wanted one of ur lgoos way back but i was 2 poor
[3/5/2017 5:27:51 PM] skezor: Similar to your current one?
[3/5/2017 5:28:14 PM] Voslaaarum: yeah perhaps
[3/5/2017 5:28:17 PM] Voslaaarum: if u wanna use that shape
[3/5/2017 5:28:30 PM] Voslaaarum: and enhance it with chains or intense light streaks in places
[3/5/2017 5:28:45 PM] Voslaaarum: cuz its hard to find an original shape now adays
[3/5/2017 5:28:58 PM] Voslaaarum: for example if u look at 9rr she doies the VOID shape way too much
[3/5/2017 5:30:09 PM] skezor: Well yeah
[3/5/2017 5:30:21 PM] skezor: I'll try to base it off your logo
[3/5/2017 5:30:27 PM] Voslaaarum: want the png file of my logo?
[3/5/2017 5:31:02 PM] skezor: Nope, i'll just remake it from scratch
[3/5/2017 5:31:13 PM] skezor: And add some more few shapes
[3/5/2017 5:31:18 PM] skezor: To make it more flashy
[3/5/2017 5:31:21 PM] Voslaaarum: sounds good
[3/5/2017 5:31:28 PM] Voslaaarum: yeah the biggest issue with our current logo is people say its missing a lot
[3/5/2017 5:31:30 PM] Voslaaarum: and too simple
[3/5/2017 5:31:31 PM] Voslaaarum: and dry
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TayseriDogg is not online. TayseriDogg
Joined: 31 Aug 2012
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18 Mar 2017 11:23 AM
This might have been the first time Vos has bought a logo from someone?

That being said, and I'm sure it's mentioned on a previous thread made by Skzr (which he seems to be making a lot of....), he should have digged for more information so he wasn't creating a random logo. For example the theme, any specific genres, if any animals are symbolic, or symbols in general.

So far he's shown he can't handle customer complaints AND he isn't able to work with a customer to get something they can be happy with.


The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war.
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