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Re: How can you argue that climate change isn't occurring?

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OfficalUberZ is not online. OfficalUberZ
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07 Feb 2017 02:57 PM
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SanoSauro is not online. SanoSauro
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07 Feb 2017 02:57 PM
Um, the earth has a past history of warming and cooling at various times.
That's how.
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07 Feb 2017 02:57 PM
There are arguments for and against that theory. It is still relatively new, so don't jump into the conclusions.


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Because they do not know the effects of co2 and have heard about the wisconsoin cycles (Glacial cycles) ### ##### can use that info to act like global warming isnt real -fishLAD
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This period of heating has gone longer and occurred much more rapidly than previous periods of increased heat, anyways climate change is not limited to temperature may I remind you.
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07 Feb 2017 03:00 PM
The effects are the result of temperature changes.
Also Venus is getting hotter.
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07 Feb 2017 03:01 PM
@SanoSauro

It's progressively gotten worse over the past few years, and the patterns aren't natural.



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FishLAD is not online. FishLAD
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The effects are the result of temperature changes.


YOU GENIUS you mean CLIMATE change is related to temperature|>?


W000000W


-fishLAD


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XylanHD is not online. XylanHD
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07 Feb 2017 03:02 PM
Also, Climate change wouldn't only affect heat, it also makes water rise, and many more things.


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07 Feb 2017 03:02 PM
it's a cold world they say it gets colder
~shreksong
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07 Feb 2017 03:03 PM
You can't say that since we haven't recorded the past temperature changes accurately.
The changes may well be natural.
However, through various sciences, we can tell that at one point the Earth DID get hotter and then cooled down, and that it was a cycle.
Also Venus is getting hotter [2]
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07 Feb 2017 03:03 PM
@ Fish that's how climate works.
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i am getting hotter
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@sano


i know, why state an obvious fact?


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07 Feb 2017 03:11 PM
I do agree that climate change is at least 70% due to natural causes but you can't argue against the fact that we have caused severe pollution since the industrial revolution started.


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07 Feb 2017 03:11 PM
"Also climate change wouldn't effect heat, it makes water rise"

you telling me the tides are an example of climate change
wow you are a genius


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07 Feb 2017 03:12 PM
@TaurusReborn

I'm saying that's one of the effects of climate change.
Context is pretty important.


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@TaurusReborn

Also, you forgot the "only"


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@KingCamembert

Like Donora, PA

All the steel mills made a thick smog in the valley the town is in


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07 Feb 2017 03:13 PM
Or, what if it wasn't?
Ever consider it is something else, as opposed to climate change?
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07 Feb 2017 03:13 PM
You only said "makes water rise" but never explained how.
Even though it is obvious the ice sheets melt and oceans rise.


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07 Feb 2017 03:14 PM
In the 1700s there was a cooling time, look back at old records, winters in the NE were severe.


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07 Feb 2017 03:17 PM
@TaurusReborn

What is the point you're trying to make?
If you are using the 1700s as an example of how it was really cold then, you are only further proving my point.
Also, the reason that the water would rise is mostly because the Ice would melt, and seawater would expand.


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07 Feb 2017 03:27 PM
"You can't say that since we haven't recorded the past temperature changes accurately.
The changes may well be natural.
However, through various sciences, we can tell that at one point the Earth DID get hotter and then cooled down, and that it was a cycle.
Also Venus is getting hotter [2]"

"You can't say that since we haven't recorded the past temperature changes accurately."
Using the Vostok lake ice cores we are able to accurately measure temperature from the past 100,000 years accurately due to istopes of carbon13 and carbon 14, giving us the characteristic temperature cycles we see, every 10,000 years the temp gets warm for 1000 years and then goes cold. These are called the Wisconsin cycles.

"The changes may well be natural."
Past fluctuations in temperature have all been natural untill 1880, which is when the industrial revolution became a major climate control

CO2 (carbon dioxide) is released from industrial activities. Carbon dioxide absorbs sunlight and reflects it back at the earths surface, thus preventing it from leaving the atmosphere. This is called the greenhouse effect, and increases earths temperature.

the current c02 concentration (at 402 ppm) is the highest concentration in the past 200,000 years, and is causing what we know as climate change.

Earth has carbon sinks, which absorb this CO2, this causes even more damage to earths climate, disturbing the PH of water, which becometh more acidic as it absorb the co2.

"However, through various sciences, we can tell that at one point the Earth DID get hotter and then cooled down, and that it was a cycle."
These cycles happen every 10,000 years, and currently we should be approaching a ice age, but we are not due to the significant impact of atmospheric co2, which like I mentioned earlier, is at the highest level it has even been for many, many years, which, OBVIOUSLY, is going to effect climate.
"Also Venus is getting hotter"

Venus, like earth, radiates heat in the form of long wave radiation, this radiation is ommited in all directions, and therefore does not target earth venus is 260 million km away from earth, and does not carry out fusion, therefore its hot atmosphere has NO SIGNIFICANT effect upon earth, as the energy it radiates is not strong enough to be absorbed by earth, and long wave extraplanetry radiation is normally reflected by clouds anyway.


And yes I have concidered other options to climate change, but no other options are viable, climate change is the only viable explanation of earths current temperature increase, which corralates significantly with the burning of coal since 1880

-fishLAD
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