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Re: A simple fact about Hillary's 2.5 million popular vote win

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BrokenRyan916 is not online. BrokenRyan916
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22 Jan 2017 03:17 PM
She won by 4.3 million in california and 1.7 million in New york, if Hillary didn't win by a landslide in these two states guess what ### ######## HAVE THE POPULAR VOTE. The fact is manhattan, South western california, seattle, Philadelphia, and the Norther Eastern U.S should not control who becomes president or what policy dictates the rest of the nation.
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BrokenRyan916 is not online. BrokenRyan916
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22 Jan 2017 03:18 PM
hashtags are she wouldn't
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AIekz is not online. AIekz
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22 Jan 2017 03:18 PM
it's the united STATES

if only two states have control over all 50, the system is broken
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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22 Jan 2017 03:21 PM
The Electoral College is more representative.

Generally speaking more Democrats live in the large cities, and large cities have high populations.

The Democratic stronghold states have a higher population than the Republican stronghold states.

If it was solely by popular vote, Republicans would never win an election and the voice of half the country would never be heard as we would only be catering to those living in the cities, and anyone else would be left in the dark.


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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22 Jan 2017 03:23 PM
So why should the votes of cities be disregarded compared to rural areas?


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22 Jan 2017 03:26 PM
^ Were not disregarding the cities votes, were just saying they shouldn't dictate the policy of the nation it should be a equal with the rural areas.
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22 Jan 2017 03:29 PM
"Were not disregarding the cities votes, were just saying they shouldn't dictate the policy of the nation it should be a equal with the rural areas."

So swing states should dictate the policy of the nation? Cities largely outnumber rural areas so it makes sense that they should get the power.

Put 1 million people in 1 state but 20 people in the other 49 states, the lower population wins because you are trying to give areas the vote, not the actual voters.


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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22 Jan 2017 03:31 PM
"So swing states should dictate the policy of the nation? Cities largely outnumber rural areas so it makes sense that they should get the power."

The wishes of the people in the major cities is not representative of the entire country's wishes.

"Put 1 million people in 1 state but 20 people in the other 49 states, the lower population wins because you are trying to give areas the vote, not the actual voters."

Disregarding the strawman population you presented, 800,000 people across 49 states rather than 1m in 1 state deserves more representation, because you're representing 49 different states rather than 1. Pretty simple.


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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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22 Jan 2017 03:31 PM
No, rural states have too much power. Its unfair that they automatically get 3 electoral votes stolen from other states.


We are a representative democracy, meaning that the government should correlate with the population. If a bigger portion of the country is urbanized its not fair that you get to take their votes away.


Seeing that urbanized states contribute a bigger share of the economy, employment, and innovation I don't see why we need to pay welfare to these republican rural states
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22 Jan 2017 03:32 PM
"We are a representative democracy, "

And we represent the entire country, rather than a part of it.


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22 Jan 2017 03:33 PM
An electoral system made over 200 years ago should not dictate proper democracy.


The fact that over 2.5 million Americans voted for clinton over trump, shows how flawed the system is. In many states it was a matter of <0.9% to which it would flip.
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HighSparrows is online. HighSparrows
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22 Jan 2017 03:33 PM
11m+ illegal votes.
Fraud
Fake votes(Dead people).


The rallies speak reality, she probably got 3 votes or something in reality...

AT gun point maybe 4.
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22 Jan 2017 03:33 PM
"Proper democracy"

America is a Republic moron.

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BrokenRyan916 is not online. BrokenRyan916
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22 Jan 2017 03:33 PM
Your kdding me right, what works in manhattan might n ot work in tennesee and vice versa, it;s a give take you can't have one have more power than the other.
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22 Jan 2017 03:35 PM
Ok, then Democrats would win every single election because a handful of states combined have more say than nearly double the number of states than them. Is THAT representative?

Our country would be dictated by the wishes of California and New York, and almost that alone.

You talk of swing states deciding elections, but go by popular vote and the only people getting attention are the major population centers. What's the difference, then?


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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22 Jan 2017 03:35 PM
Why does the state you are in affect the power of your vote?


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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22 Jan 2017 03:37 PM
"the major population centers"

there are more people in it...thats why


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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22 Jan 2017 03:38 PM
I'm not saying I agree with the fact that a Republican's vote in California is meaningless. But your suggestion is even more meaningless because it'd be the same thing.

A Democrat in West Virginia would have no luck with his vote, just as a Republican in New York.

Instead of catering to a few swing states, candidates would cater to just the major cities and population centers.


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22 Jan 2017 03:38 PM
^ Your not understanding, what works in a city may not work in a ruural area and since there are more rural areas it isn't necesarily fair if cities control everything.
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22 Jan 2017 03:39 PM
Okay, but you're saying the entire country should be dictated by what works for people in San Fran, NYC, or LA. That doesn't apply to people in WV or any place like it, just those places.


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22 Jan 2017 03:41 PM
As Alekz said, how is it the United States if over half the states' opinions are irrelevant?


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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22 Jan 2017 03:41 PM
What works in rural areas doesn't always work for urban centers????



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22 Jan 2017 03:42 PM
It works because practically every other representative democracy uses the same system. We're the odd ball out.


Certain states have a higher population for a reason, and having just a popular vote would mean states wouldn't matter, one vote for one person.


I don't think its fair that a person in Arizona has the voting power of 31 voters in California.
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22 Jan 2017 03:42 PM
I'm not saying you're wrong, but the argument doesn't go both ways.


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22 Jan 2017 03:43 PM
Okay, but you're saying that a person's vote in Arizona shouldn't matter because more people live in California.


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