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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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22 Jan 2017 10:49 AM
but if it's confirmed they were under the influence while driving, i'd find it hard to really feel bad for ventura and marte (both are believed but not confirmed to have been).

it's just complete and utter disregard for life, especially when you know of incidents of DUI killing fellow MLB players/prospects - in the same god damn country for christ sake - but decide to do it anyways.

yes, it's sad to see someone who could've been one of the top pitchers in baseball die at just 25, but i simply can't really feel sad for anyone who gets killed while driving under the influence.

"To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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pacobassi is not online. pacobassi
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22 Jan 2017 10:51 AM
TL;DR: They got karma for driving under the influence and putting themselves and others in danger.


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SammieStupidSavage is not online. SammieStupidSavage
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22 Jan 2017 10:53 AM
yeah i agree ig but its still sad


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TheWdonald61 is not online. TheWdonald61
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22 Jan 2017 10:54 AM
DUI is dangerous all around, we all make mistakes, this mistake in particular however costed both their lives.

It's unfortunate and condolences to the Royals and their family.
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xjake99 is not online. xjake99
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22 Jan 2017 10:56 AM
" in the same god damn country for christ sake - but decide to do it anyways."

well he was killed in his home country but
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DeadMan253 is not online. DeadMan253
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22 Jan 2017 11:02 AM
Driving under the influence is incredibly stupid and you deserve the consequences

that being said

the DR has little to no driving laws
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xjake99 is not online. xjake99
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22 Jan 2017 11:06 AM
facts dead ^
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DarkImperiator is not online. DarkImperiator
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22 Jan 2017 11:10 AM
I have to agree with death

If he truly was driving under the influence, I won't be that really sad for him anymore
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DarkImperiator is not online. DarkImperiator
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22 Jan 2017 11:11 AM
"DUI is dangerous all around, we all make mistakes, this mistake in particular however costed both their lives."

he should know better

he should know that people has died from driving under the influence

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Ithesportsbomb is not online. Ithesportsbomb
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22 Jan 2017 11:16 AM
Completely agree. Act like a ######## die like a ########
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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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22 Jan 2017 11:27 AM
"well he was killed in his home country but"

i was referencing oscar taveras, who ventura tributed on his hat during a start after he died.

"To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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TheWdonald61 is not online. TheWdonald61
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22 Jan 2017 11:29 AM
I find it odd how he went out like that after paying tribute to Taveras.
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RedDawg is not online. RedDawg
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22 Jan 2017 12:07 PM
You can certainly feel sad for them while simultaneously resting the blame on them, the two are not mutually exclusive
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DarkLord_Ranger is not online. DarkLord_Ranger
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22 Jan 2017 12:08 PM
"Mutually Exclusive"

AP Stats baby
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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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22 Jan 2017 09:39 PM
I feel sad for the family of Ventura (and any other victims of the crash), but not for Ventura himself. I am of the opinion that people who get killed while under the influence got what they asked for. There's a story that has stuck with me about ##### drivers, I'll try and find it if I can (but be warned, it's graphic). "To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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AdvancedGame is online. AdvancedGame
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22 Jan 2017 10:04 PM
agree 100 pct DUI is just so terrible and puts the lives of everyone around you at serious risk. i feel bad for his family but im glad that he died without harming anybody else
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TotallyNotCap is online. TotallyNotCap
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22 Jan 2017 10:08 PM
You'd think they would have learned from Fernandez that operating a vehicle while impaired by something can kill you (yes, I'm aware that Fernandez wasn't driving the boat) but I guess not.
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TotallyNotCap is online. TotallyNotCap
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22 Jan 2017 10:13 PM
Oh, and Oscar Taveras too.
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nintendo566 is not online. nintendo566
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22 Jan 2017 10:41 PM
No sign of DUI at Ventura's accident #####################################################################################################################################
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nintendo566 is not online. nintendo566
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22 Jan 2017 10:41 PM
got hashed but look it up, they don't think he had drinks in his system
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nintendo566 is not online. nintendo566
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22 Jan 2017 10:42 PM
however Ventura was not wearing a seatbelt. Don't know if that would've saved his life.
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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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23 Jan 2017 07:42 AM
Nothing I've found says that he wasn't believed to be. It's just not officially confirmed as of now, and we probably won't know for a few weeks.

"To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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23 Jan 2017 07:45 AM
But you have to remember this is the DR. The roads and drivers are terrible, and the police will let you free for a few dollars if you get pulled over for a DUI.

Oh, and this tweet, though obviously unverifiable, states he was drinking the night of the crash: https://twitter.com/mhallbaseball/status/823205828412981248

"To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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123yonnd is not online. 123yonnd
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23 Jan 2017 08:07 AM
i am sick of this happening every year.

since we have no power to change the DR government. i suggest MLB should have a certain UBER like taxi like program for just ball players during the off-season so there is always that option in the back of their mind even when under influence.

NFL partnered with UBER a few years ago to cut down the rising reports of DUIs from players.
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deathrange07 is online. deathrange07
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23 Jan 2017 08:22 AM
the MLB should also educate players on the dangers of DUI, especially those from countries with different cultures on it.

"To go into this question of what is death, what lies beyond death...all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." - J. Krishnamurti -:- RIP Koolboy123, Oct. 1, 1992-Apr. 27, 2016 ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ
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