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Re: honest question for christians

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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:26 PM
i don't think i understand the whole omnipotence or all-powerful thing

i mean if the christian god was real then wouldn't that mean there would be no alternative beliefs?

???


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jcc98 is not online. jcc98
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22 Jan 2017 05:27 PM
no cuz hes dumb and allows us to think for ourselves

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flybomb is not online. flybomb
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22 Jan 2017 05:28 PM
The reason we're on Earth is because we'll let me put it this way.

What would be the point in creating something and making it love you. That's not true love. God needs us to make a choice weather to love him or deny him.
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:29 PM
but as all-powerful, can you not just change the definition or just create it?
???


i know, this is a hole in my spiritual logic as well that I don't know how to answer either



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ScrubTeamSix is not online. ScrubTeamSix
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22 Jan 2017 05:29 PM
free will [2]

this is all a test, will you succumb to fear and anger and deny him, or stay true to your faith and be welcomed into the holy lights

Scrub-a-dub-dub
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flybomb is not online. flybomb
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22 Jan 2017 05:30 PM
You could but it doesn't work like that
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Dark_Shikari is not online. Dark_Shikari
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22 Jan 2017 05:30 PM
i like satan more
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:30 PM
then what is the fundamental purpose of creation in the first place..?




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flybomb is not online. flybomb
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22 Jan 2017 05:31 PM
Harb, I don't want you to think that Christians know how God works, because we don't. I can't even begin to comprehend him
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NekoMessiah is not online. NekoMessiah
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22 Jan 2017 05:31 PM
Well said ScrubTeamSix,

Human life is effectively a test to accept or deny him.
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flybomb is not online. flybomb
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22 Jan 2017 05:31 PM
I truly don't know, good question. Ask him if you get to heaven
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Dark_Shikari is not online. Dark_Shikari
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22 Jan 2017 05:32 PM
Human life is effectively a test to accept or deny zebra cakes as our lord
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:34 PM
yeah i've always just ignored the question whenever it pops up but I don't know
...................

the only two conclusions I can draw are that:
- there is an equal but opposite (evil) force that is also all-powerful and omnipotent (hence we're all in one big game with the Elimist, I need an Animorphs reference to not go into a page-long thought thing.)

- whatever creator is not all-powerful



or maybe we're all a happy accident
huh


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NekoMessiah is not online. NekoMessiah
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22 Jan 2017 05:37 PM
I don't think life on Earth was an accident. Nor are the couple billion Christians a mistake. Christianity exists and is followed by so many for good reason!! :)
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:40 PM
i'm strange spiritually, my spiritual beliefs are all based on raw logic based on given facts and then maybe a little philosophy.

Things along the lines of that we're given rational thought for the purpose of using it, that no matter what the creator will accept us (even if given a different name and with differing beliefs) as long as our morality is aligned the right direction. The one thing I cannot logically resolve is what is the purpose of Heaven if we reincarnate? Is it an option? Is it for if you don't align perfectly? ????

The other thing I can't resolve is what defines oneself.


I don't really consider myself Christian though at a glance you could confuse me for one


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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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22 Jan 2017 05:40 PM
oh the post i was replying to isn't here anymore

well uh
ok then


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NekoMessiah is not online. NekoMessiah
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22 Jan 2017 05:43 PM
I think oneself is defined by our consciousness and the fact that we contemplate our consciousness. We are aware that we are.
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22 Jan 2017 05:58 PM
WARNING: The first three paragraphs are complex if you're not familiar with Christianity.

The Christian's premise: God is good. Thus, he would want what is good. In Genesis in the Bible, God creates all of man and creation and calls it "good" (before the world was corrupted by sin).

Evidently, there is something in a world without the wrongs that is necessarily good. This is relationship. It's a bit too deep to go into it here, but Christians also believe that God is God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit (the force residing in Christians that allows us to live according to the Bible). It so follows, then, if God is literally good, then his nature which includes relationship must be good.

So why even create anything? Because it is an expression of God's goodness and love. Of course, there's plenty of argument then on why have a world where evil is possible. The short answer to this is such: Free will (which other posters have elaborated on).

Paraphrasing C.S. Lewis' work "The Problem of Pain", what people consider love/good/happiness is not what the Bible considers love. In fact, kindness (wanting for another to get whatever they want) is almost a direct contrast to the Bible's claims. The Bible says love will stop a man from something he wants to do if it's something that's harmful to him (or her). The more conventional (i.e. non-biblical) wisdom is "Well, if it's not hurting anyone else..."

So, really, God doesn't want to give us temporary pleasure in the form of whatever we want on Earth. He wants to give us something much better, which is an eternity in paradise (I use paradise instead of heaven as the common conception of "floating in heaven" is actually not true) with Him. The creation of a people with free will is necessary for relationship (between God and man, and some instances man and man) and love.

Think of an artist painting a picture. If the picture is something that he or she doesn't really care about, they might simply leave it with a few blemishes and hang it up on a wall. However, if the picture is something that the artist cares deeply for, they will make sure it is perfected no matter how long it takes or how much effort they need to put into it. In the same way, God could simply say "Well, have your temporary things for now, I suppose?" Or He could continue and try to perfect all of Creation so we could have the greatest of the great. The world is in a process of perfection (though it was originally perfect... but my post would be too long if I went into that).
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22 Jan 2017 06:04 PM
lol
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ScrubTeamSix is not online. ScrubTeamSix
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22 Jan 2017 11:11 PM
read what i said
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Craith is not online. Craith
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22 Jan 2017 11:12 PM
there is only one god (allah) and Muhammad is his prophet (pbuh)
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