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Re: The big bang theory has no evidence

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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:41 PM
No one even knows what the big bang theory was, or what caused it, or how the thing that started it even started



so if you're atheist simply because of 'no proof' than u shuld maybe consider this
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The_Sponginator is not online. The_Sponginator
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22 Jan 2017 05:43 PM
yes, i'll consider the point of some random kid in an online game and dismiss every single scientific report and evidence backing it up
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:44 PM
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:45 PM
yes, i'll consider the point of some random kid in an online game and dismiss every single scientific report and evidence backing it up



The big bang theory explains everything but what triggers it


you either r purposely being ignorant or r pretending to kno more than u do


mr pretentious
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:48 PM
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solowraith is not online. solowraith
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22 Jan 2017 05:50 PM
The big bang is hypothesized to be a large explosion caused by the separation of the 4 major universal powers, being Electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear force, and gravity. Before the big bang everything was compressed into one point in space where these forces were all unified, ultimately leading to the separation of them and the ensuing power released was large enough to disperse all the matter held inside in a large ongoing explosion. The proof supporting this is the radiation left over from the explosion, the redshift is a phenomena that occurs when looking at galaxies, these galaxies are moving away from us causing a red tint, this shows that the universe is still expanding, and the direction from which they are expanding from is theorized to be the center of the big bang. But you could say this is all a hypothesis and isn't true. Gravity is also just a hypothesis though, and here you are. Not floating off into space. The only thing that is really a hypothesis at this point is the number of chromosomes you have, my guess is 47.


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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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22 Jan 2017 05:52 PM
Copied and pasted from another thread:

Have you ever heard of the Doppler Effect? It's the reason an ambulance's pitch increases as it approaches you and decreases as it passes you.

An object rapidly moving toward you emitting sounds will cause superposition of the soundwaves, which in turn increases the frequency of sound as it gets closer and closer. As it passes you, this sound is emitted but no longer in superposition as it approaches you, so it sounds dimmer and dimmer. The frequency has decreased.

So it is with the redshifting of stars. As a star moves further and further away from us, the wavelength gets longer and longer (the frequency decreases). The universality of redshifting in astronomical data leads us to include that stars and galaxies are moving further away from us at a remarkably fast rate, which we believe is the result of the Big Bang.

Likewise, many astronomers have taken the cosmic microwave background (CMB) as evidence of the Big Bang and it is currently the oldest light in the Universe, to our knowledge.

So yes, the Big Bang is quite well supported in the scientific literature.
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:52 PM
@solowrath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDmKLXVFJzk


Redshift explains the expansion of universe however once again, we dont even have an idea as to where the 'universal powers' that u described came from

infact, u skipped an entire first step that is practically unexplainable
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OttoEmiliano is online. OttoEmiliano
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22 Jan 2017 05:53 PM
something have had to created something for something to work

so clearly there's some type of god

but the only question left is how that god was created
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:54 PM
So it is with the redshifting of stars. As a star moves further and further away from us, the wavelength gets longer and longer (the frequency decreases). The universality of redshifting in astronomical data leads us to include that stars and galaxies are moving further away from us at a remarkably fast rate, which we believe is the result of the Big Bang.



Once again, we dont know where it started, we have theories that we can't prove (requires too much energy)


also worth REPEATING that u skipped an entire first step

the big bang theory explains the begining of our universe but fails to explain the literal beginning of the forces that created it
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 05:56 PM
@false

https://youtu.be/JDmKLXVFJzk?t=8m53s




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solowraith is not online. solowraith
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22 Jan 2017 05:56 PM
So you'll believe an all powerful being with the power to create the universe at his whim was always around, but the idea of the 4 universal powers is completely ridiculous?..

And the problem with the first step is that there are many different ways that try to explain it, from quantum mechanics to string theory, I'm no scientist so I couldn't really touch on these spots, especially since my school let out all us seniors last year when my physics class was about to talk about quantum mechanics.

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22 Jan 2017 05:57 PM
@Emiliano

If you're referring to the laws of regression, then you should consider the Christians' belief. We believe our Christian God is an omnipresent and omnipotent entity. There was no beginning of time, he just always was and always will be. I personally believe as a protestant that he's a spirit, rather than something flesh and bone.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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22 Jan 2017 05:57 PM
It's an explosion, so it quite obviously required the hot, dense state to reach a critical point prior to expansion. It's easiest to think of the Big Bang as the attainment of a thermodynamic critical state where an expansion was necessary to increase the entropy of the Universe.

As to how that hot, dense state came to be, it simply always existed. That's what our current laws suggest.
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gostriderthe2 is not online. gostriderthe2
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22 Jan 2017 05:57 PM
Yes, it's an impossible question that can't be answered as of yet.

We don't know what *Exactly* caused the big bang, the only evidence we have close to it is what False said Doppler effect, and the Cosmic Microwave Backround, but that isn't enough, we still need more, and more research will be done as the years come on seeing if the theory is true or not.

I know you're probably referencing this off what DystraTala stated, but Imo both sides have no answer of where their Creator came from, we won't know till either we research more, or something happens in the future.
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gostriderthe2 is not online. gostriderthe2
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22 Jan 2017 05:58 PM
False it's an Expansion btw, it didn't explode, it expanded iirc.
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22 Jan 2017 05:58 PM
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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22 Jan 2017 06:00 PM
Something had to happen for the universe to expand at such a fast rate from an initial zero, sir.
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 06:02 PM
As to how that hot, dense state came to be, it simply always existed. That's what our current laws suggest.



ur the first person to admit that all day! :]




ppl get trapped in a 'i cant be wrong so lemme pretend to know more than i do' state

and refuse to admit that the big bang theory cant explain the origin of our universe

which means that if the universe is real than so can God

for there is no explanation for the universe's creation, for all we know...we aren't real :]
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gostriderthe2 is not online. gostriderthe2
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22 Jan 2017 06:03 PM
No no I'm meaning this

/devepoyufu.erl

hastebin

Go to that link, I think it'll provide the information I'm talking about, there wasn't an explosion to cause the expansion iirc. If I am wrong, my apologies.
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 06:04 PM
gost rider, correct me if im wrong

but an explosion is any sort of release of energy, no?
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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22 Jan 2017 06:06 PM
@gost Will do. I study thermodynamics, not cosmology, so I welcome any correction to my interpretation.

@Frosteus

We're not about to introduce the possibility of the Christian (or any, really) god simply to explain something we don't know yet. We have science to try figuring these things out.
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Frosteus is not online. Frosteus
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22 Jan 2017 06:11 PM
We're not about to introduce the possibility of the Christian (or any, really) god simply to explain something we don't know yet. We have science to try figuring these things out.



No, but u cant use the logic of "Something had to create God" to disregard the possibility that there may be a God


The origins of the universe is to complex for sm1 to wrap their mind around, What created this energy? the dimensions? how can something come from absolutely nothing?


at the end of the day, i dont think we'll ever come up with an explanation for this topic
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gostriderthe2 is not online. gostriderthe2
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22 Jan 2017 06:12 PM
Yeah an explosion is typically a release of energy, at least that's what I remember from reading it up online and whatnot.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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22 Jan 2017 06:13 PM
Sure, I can posit an infinite number of gods creating one another and claim that I've ascended an infinite staircase. To exclude any sort of "god" from the requirement of having to be made by something sees a bit more like special pleading than a viable scientific hypothesis to me.
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