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| 14 Jan 2017 01:53 PM |
Saying "i'm offended" has no weight objectively, that being said, in real life if I offended someone on accident, I feel like the polite thing to do would be to say "oh, sorry", because I'm genuinely sorry; I don't often find myself WANTING to inflict pain on others, regardless of how severe. That's just how I am.
That being said, I also meet a lot of people who will respond with things like "freedom of speech" or "stop being PC" or some other thing like calling someone a liberal or feminist (even if you aren't either).
It seems like you can get away with saying anything you want nowadays. Sure you have freedom of speech, but is there anything stopping people from HURTING others with those words and getting away with it? What I mean is, are there consequences to your actions anymore, or can I get away with a racial slur that isn't the least bit funny and say it's just a joke these days?
Because that scares me. I'm all for protecting your rights, but I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just be polite (in real life). It's literally first grade stuff, manners and all that.
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| 14 Jan 2017 01:54 PM |
"quick spread the word"
Spread what word?
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SoulEyez
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| 14 Jan 2017 01:54 PM |
| Yes, a very big one. Offensive = Saying something that legitimately is offensive like All blacks need to #### ## ## ##### while being oversensitive could be like saying Blacks are cool my homie, while it is slightly racist it can be interpreted as humour, or oversensitivity could be someone getting offended at a racist thing even though they're white. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 01:55 PM |
"I'm all for protecting your rights, but I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just be polite"
Because most of the people who actually get offended are worse than the people who say the "le meen things :(((((" |
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| 14 Jan 2017 01:56 PM |
'What I mean is, are there consequences to your actions anymore, or can I get away with a racial slur that isn't the least bit funny and say it's just a joke these days?'
Sure there's consequences. You could get decked in the face, for one.
What I hate is people using the "freedom of speech" thing to justify being deliberately jerks. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:01 PM |
I agree completely. See the thing is that people who are anti-PC are taking it all the wrong way. Though they are correct that you have the right to freedom of speech in America, and they can say anything they want, I think they need to recognize that doesn't mean we SHOULD throw all common decency out the window but that we CAN. Just because you CAN be rude, impolite, and offensive, doesn't mean you SHOULD. The anti-PC thing has become just an excuse to be a horrible person. And don't take this to mean that I support PC culture either, frankly I hate it for trying to silence people, limiting free speech on college campuses, etc. But you can support the freedom of speech while not being a complete jerk just because you can.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:02 PM |
| Depending on the circumstance, there are legal and, like Blobbem said, social sanctions to things that may be said. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:02 PM |
Freedom of speech is just something often used by people as a coverage. I agree with one hundred percent of what you're saying: the only thing I would emphasize as a point is that freedom of speech should not give you the right to justify something wrong, such as a racial or missoginistic joke. It's all about being polite and being respectful! I have no idea why so many people struggle with this.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:04 PM |
"Yes, a very big one. Offensive = Saying something that legitimately is offensive like All blacks need to #### ## ## ##### while being oversensitive could be like saying Blacks are cool my homie, while it is slightly racist it can be interpreted as humour, or oversensitivity could be someone getting offended at a racist thing even though they're white."
I agree with your statement, even if the wording was a little weird. I can understand the difference between a joke and offensive; I dated someone who was black, and she was perfectly cool w/ a couple jokes on race. If she wasn't, she'd say as much and I'd apologize. We move on. I would never WANT to offend her, and she understood that.
"Because most of the people who actually get offended are worse than the people who say the "le meen things :((((("
Maybe you could provide some examples or proof?
You only hear about the "worse people" on the news because they're LOUDER about it all.
"Sure there's consequences. You could get decked in the face, for one."
Yea I just read about something like that.
"What I hate is people using the "freedom of speech" thing to justify being deliberately jerks."
I agree completely.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:04 PM |
Don't you find it a bit ridiculous that people will get offended over using the term "childless" instead of "child-free"? This is just one of many examples I could provide. I'm all for being polite, and I try to be polite as possible, but people are becoming way too easy to offend.
I don't see why nicknames and abbreviations should offend anyone, the same even goes for the more insulting ones, because in the end, they are just words with no real significance. The "Sticks and Stones" nursery rhyme comes to mind. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:06 PM |
"But you can support the freedom of speech while not being a complete jerk just because you can."
RIGHT. Freedom of speech is not meant to entitle people to be jerks about everything, it's there so that you can hold an opinion no matter how unpopular it is without fear of being arrested or harmed over it. That being said, you aren't free of criticism for your actions; trying to silence those who are blatantly offended by it seems no better than trying to silence the offenders, really.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:13 PM |
"Don't you find it a bit ridiculous that people will get offended over using the term "childless" instead of "child-free"? This is just one of many examples I could provide. I'm all for being polite, and I try to be polite as possible, but people are becoming way too easy to offend. "
And so the solution is to be as offensive and as abrasive as possible? Yes, I've encountered many easily offended people in my lifetime, and I can completely understand the sentiment. Back in grade school there was this girl who was offended by everything I said, regardless of whether or not I meant to hurt her (never did). I'd always apologize, and she'd always spread rumors of me being a bully. It hurt like heck when all my friends turned away from me; these things blur the lines as to who the victim and offender is.
"I don't see why nicknames and abbreviations should offend anyone, the same even goes for the more insulting ones, because in the end, they are just words with no real significance. The "Sticks and Stones" nursery rhyme comes to mind."
That's fine, I'm not going to try to "make you see". I know in real life I can be very abrasive, and that's not everyone's cup of tea. That being said, I still don't see what's so hard about saying sorry and moving on even if you don't mean it. Why do you have to intentionally hurt people just to get your "freedom of speech" point across?
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:18 PM |
"And so the solution is to be as offensive and as abrasive as possible?"
No, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I find the people who try to be offensive very annoying, but like I said before, they are not of any true significance, and it's just as immature to respond to them as it is to act like them.
I mentioned that I'm all for being polite, and to a degree I agree with you, but you seem to misunderstand. I don't advocate intentionally try to offend people, I don't do that at all. I'm hardly an offensive person, and I really am polite. It's just that there are some people who will get offended by literally everything, and they will DESTROY LIVES because they don't agree with something. Remember the "SHIRTSTORM"? That's not okay. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:23 PM |
But I do have to say I also agree there is a point where people become too easily offended. If you are offended by things that are just part of life, you need to chill out. For example with having "trigger warnings" on documents in college, just because the document is about something that is a problem in the real world. And yes, these offended people have the right to be offended, but just how like the anti-PC people shouldn't be a jerk just because they can, people shouldn't act offended about everything just because they can.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:27 PM |
"No, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I find the people who try to be offensive very annoying, but like I said before, they are not of any true significance, and it's just as immature to respond to them as it is to act like them."
I agree, to a certain extent. There comes a point where you just can't bottle it up anymore, though. If someone repeatedly does these things to you, at some point you'll want them to stop, right? Is saying something really worse than not saying anything at all?
I guess it really depends on how far you "say something". We see where we are now; stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do we speak up and risk pushing the PC agenda (further), or silence ourselves and risk encouraging hate crimes in the name of "freedom of speech".
Which is my main question.
"I mentioned that I'm all for being polite, and to a degree I agree with you, but you seem to misunderstand. I don't advocate intentionally try to offend people, I don't do that at all. I'm hardly an offensive person, and I really am polite."
When I say "you" I don't mean you you, I mean oneself. In general. I know you aren't necessarily impolite, I've seen you post. I apologize if it came out that way. I'm not trying to accuse you.
"It's just that there are some people who will get offended by literally everything, and they will DESTROY LIVES because they don't agree with something. Remember the "SHIRTSTORM"? That's not okay."
Oh yea I totally understand that too. It's why I'm really iffy on the whole T thing. I skimmed over this article talking about how this lady said some things that didn't completely align with the T movement, but in the end supported them, yet a bunch of people yelled at her on Twitter and everything anyways.
That is a perfect example of someone trying to use their freedom of speech and actually being harassed for it. That is PC.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:28 PM |
congratulations you have reached the ultimate human point of existence for noticing |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:28 PM |
"When I say "you" I don't mean you you, I mean oneself. In general. I know you aren't necessarily impolite, I've seen you post. I apologize if it came out that way. I'm not trying to accuse you."
Oh, I see. I apologize for the misunderstanding. |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:29 PM |
"For example with having "trigger warnings" on documents in college, just because the document is about something that is a problem in the real world"
I'm on the fence about trigger warnings. I'll laugh at them when I see them usually, because I think it's all just stupid. But once we watched this video in class on rap, and this girl that I guess had to deal with something like that before started crying. I think if there was a warning, she would've been spared of reliving the memories.
I think you can't really understand trigger warnings until you personally experience what that girl did. To me, it's a joke. To her, it's digging up something she tried to bury deep####o#### ###t.
"And yes, these offended people have the right to be offended, but just how like the anti-PC people shouldn't be a jerk just because they can, people shouldn't act offended about everything just because they can."
Yes, sometimes you just need to suck it up.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:32 PM |
"you have reached the ultimate human point of existence for noticing "
Being honest, I've always noticed. I've just been too nervous to say anything about it in fear of being called out.
Then again, it's the internet and I can always hide behind a curtain of anonymity.
"Oh, I see. I apologize for the misunderstanding."
It's fine, it was mostly my fault. I could've worded it better or told you beforehand. Glad we could settle it in a civilized fashion, though.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:36 PM |
"Being honest, I've always noticed." no wonder |
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:36 PM |
"But once we watched this video in class on rap, and this girl that I guess had to deal with something like that before started crying. I think if there was a warning, she would've been spared of reliving the memories." This is true, and I've thought about this before. But really the people I was talking about are people in colleges all around the country that have no reason to be triggered who use trigger warnings to avoid facing reality and opposing opinions, and nothing more. For people like the one you're talking about, I fully support trigger warnings. But they have been abused in order to shelter college kids from opposing opinions, which is really a super counterproductive thing for a college to do since one of the points of college is to expose you to opposing opinions and challenge your thinking.
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:37 PM |
"no wonder"
No wonder what?
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| 14 Jan 2017 02:38 PM |
"No wonder what?" im just saying this isnt new is all |
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