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Re: "socialism is only good on paper"

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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 05:58 PM
"of course it is look at venezuela"

Well that's interesting but south of Venezuela there is another socialist country doing really good called Bolivia

so since I like antagonizing conservative c&g give me a reason why bolivia is due for a collapse while not bringing up the fact that Bolivia has a smaller population, since 10 million people is still a lot of people






........now what to bring up against liberal c&g




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Minstronomer is not online. Minstronomer
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06 Jan 2017 05:59 PM
Bolivia isnt doing so well


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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:01 PM
it is, under the socialists the economy has been getting better and better


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Savagee_Cabbage is not online. Savagee_Cabbage
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06 Jan 2017 06:05 PM
umm look at majority of EU nations..... they're socialists.... and they seem to be doing quite well


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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:06 PM
yes i didnt really prove anything did i


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Valhalas is not online. Valhalas
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06 Jan 2017 06:06 PM
10 million is maybe the population of one medium-sized state in the US

you are a moron if you think first off that socialism is a virtuous ideology and secondly if you think it could actually work on a grand scale in its intended form

its only good on paper just like any far left or far right ideology you delusional idiot


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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:10 PM
Mmm hold up Val, China is officially socialist after moving a bit away from communism, and it's population is MUCH higher than the US, AND it has been doing pretty well, backpedal a bit


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Tottenham_Hotspur is not online. Tottenham_Hotspur
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06 Jan 2017 06:12 PM
EU isn't socialist - they have a welfare state but this is paid by the people. Every single Western Country has a lower corporate tax than the US, which is why their economies do well for themselves
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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:12 PM
and no, I dont hold socialism up to be virtuous

I only deem it as a good idea that is highly underrated


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06 Jan 2017 06:13 PM
The US has no interest in having the same economic system as China. Although socialism is probably better for the people in terms of lower population government, I can't help but feel like on a large scale it can get ######## when you put someone in charge of a system like that.
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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:15 PM
in most cases, socialism needs a strong central government/leader to work, but it can still work in high population places if you are more centered towards capitalism


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06 Jan 2017 06:16 PM
Socialism is a waste.
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06 Jan 2017 06:16 PM
who lives in a pineapple under the ground?

evo Morales


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beloxy is not online. beloxy
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06 Jan 2017 06:20 PM
I'm really curious why socialism can't work on a large scale. Isn't it all ratios? 1,000,000 people rake in 50k each and having 25k taxed per year vs 10,000,000 people raking in 50k each and having 25k taxed per year. Doesn't the same amount of money go back to each person through government services?
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06 Jan 2017 06:21 PM
### ### #### do you even bother arguing politics in here get get out shoo http://www.roblox.com/--item?id=175795047
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06 Jan 2017 06:25 PM
'China is officially socialist after moving a bit away from communism, and it's population is MUCH higher than the US, AND it has been doing pretty well, backpedal a bit'


Yeah I'm sure mainland China is doing just fine with harvesting organs and stealing other people's work and calling it their own.
Reminds me of this one guy by the name of Steve Jobs.




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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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06 Jan 2017 06:28 PM
easy rebuttal, it's like this

the reason why bolivia is doing well while venezuela isn't is because of the oil price drop. bolivia, unlike venezuela, is able to survive it because it's not a petrocracy. venezuela had its problems before-hand, but the oil drop was really what's causing it to fall apart. but that's the flaw of socialism, it's completely unable to adapt in crisis.

because the supermarkets are also nationalized in venezuela, the government can no longer afford to import food. it's also not capable of producing its own food, because Chavez seized tons of farmland during his reign.

too much of the country is nationalized, and the government isn't able to bail any of the failing industries out. if the government fails, the country, economy, agriculture, etc. (anything owned by the government) also fails, and people are hurting now because of that.

even during the great depression, some of our business were able to stay afloat and some people even thrived during this time by offering services and goods desperately needed at that time.


but what you have in venezeula and not bolivia, is a crisis where the government is too cornered to be able to adapt to the situation and start mending their wounds. now, the government is soon to default. in bolivia, they're not facing any real crisis. i can guarantee you that if they face something similar in the future, they could fall apart just the same.


because the scary thing is, venezuela is falling apart EXACTLY how the USSR fell apart.
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BIoodPatriot is not online. BIoodPatriot
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06 Jan 2017 06:31 PM
bolivia has always had a single-export economy, but they've jumped around from what export that is

if their export gets hit at the right time they could be toast
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06 Jan 2017 06:31 PM
"in most cases, socialism needs a strong central government/leader to work, but it can still work in high population places if you are more centered towards capitalism"

you literally just said that socialism might work if you're more centered on capitalism.
you just proved to everyone you have no idea what you're talking about.

and big government has also never done any good, so good luck with that
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06 Jan 2017 06:32 PM
if it's more centered on capitalism its not socialism lol
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Savagee_Cabbage is not online. Savagee_Cabbage
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06 Jan 2017 06:43 PM
china is more capitalist than it is socialist or communist


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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:46 PM
do i need to bring up a graph



hopefully thisll work


------______======
communism-socialism-capitalism

socialism doesnt need to be perfectly in the center to be socialism. communism doesnt need to be perfect on the left to be communism. capitalism doesnt need to be perfectly on the right to be capitalism

there is always a range of how a country does stuff

and there are always different types of blank

for example, democratic socialism which is socialism but leaning capitalism

tl;dr what i meant was leaning capitalism


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SnifferHacks is not online. SnifferHacks
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06 Jan 2017 06:50 PM
i need to make another scale for clearness

basically it goes two ways

towards communism is more government power
towards capitalism is more economic freedom

an equilibrium between the two is socialism

however, you can lean a few ways

having slightly more economic freedom while have the median government power is what i was talking about


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beloxy is not online. beloxy
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06 Jan 2017 06:57 PM
True communism is no government power
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CaptainGuyFieri is not online. CaptainGuyFieri
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06 Jan 2017 06:57 PM
"towards communism is more government power
towards capitalism is more economic freedom

an equilibrium between the two is socialism"

-socialism is where the gov. controls the means of production and economic classes are minimized through taxation and, for the lack of a better term, welfare
-communism is where the gov. controls the means of production and economic classes are eliminated through taxation and, for the lack of a better term, welfare
-capitalism is where the people control the means of production and economic classes are left alone.

no its not an equilibrium, socialism and communism are both far left policies.

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