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Re: Thoughts on SC vs RAT?

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CrixianX is not online. CrixianX
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03 Jan 2017 09:58 AM
RAT War Declaration: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=206124597

SC Acceptance & Response: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=206234670

To my knowledge, negotiations have not yet commenced or concluded.


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Brookwest is not online. Brookwest
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03 Jan 2017 09:58 AM
Siding with sleet
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Radooc is not online. Radooc
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03 Jan 2017 09:58 AM
SC
#C9WIN


-sips tea-
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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03 Jan 2017 09:59 AM
good triumphs evil
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FRKZD is not online. FRKZD
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03 Jan 2017 09:59 AM
SC
#C9WIN
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ShatteredQ is not online. ShatteredQ
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03 Jan 2017 10:05 AM
It's more FoA vs RAT looking at the most recent members joining but im siding with RAT
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Brookwest is not online. Brookwest
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03 Jan 2017 10:06 AM
More like FoA vs FoL
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FRKZD is not online. FRKZD
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03 Jan 2017 10:08 AM
How it it SCs fault peope hate RAT?
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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03 Jan 2017 10:10 AM
Very disgusted that the clan community supports unilateral war intervention by third parties.

No wonder there are no more wars on CnG, you people ruin yourselves.

Still will win, however.
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FRKZD is not online. FRKZD
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03 Jan 2017 10:11 AM
you know what's disgusting? the fact your clan continued to cheat after being exposed.
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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03 Jan 2017 10:12 AM
Nice red herring, incompetent.
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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03 Jan 2017 10:16 AM
a well known scammer wouldn't care if he was caught cheating or not lol
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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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03 Jan 2017 10:20 AM
"Very disgusted that the clan community supports unilateral war intervention by third parties.

No wonder there are no more wars on CnG, you people ruin yourselves."

1v1-only ideology kills clans.
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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03 Jan 2017 10:21 AM
I agree with Poly.

"1v1-only ideology kills clans."

Allies vs allies is different from C&G bandwagon vs C&G bandwagon.

Half the time a clan wants to war somebody, they have to deal with a bandwagon of their naysayers joining the enemy side which totally ruins the war experience considering they're driven by malice, not having fun.


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Radooc is not online. Radooc
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03 Jan 2017 10:23 AM
Crix we're bing raided!!
https://www.roblox.com/games/331269617/Sleet-Clan-Hailstone


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ForgedVoid is not online. ForgedVoid
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03 Jan 2017 10:23 AM
Hasn't SC already begun cheating in a sense? Base updates...? Hailstone..?

ring a bell yet..
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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03 Jan 2017 10:24 AM
"1v1-only ideology kills clans."

There are specific modifiers in the sentence that render your point invalid, ie "unilateral", and "intervention".

If SC was upfront saying "We want C9, FoA, etc to participate", sure, that's another ballgame.

They're not.

They're instead having them join *unilaterally* (without our support or acknowledgement) and *intervening* (without our support or acknowledgement) with a war they have no place in. This same toxic attitude is why FoA could never get a war.

If clans are able to just join in whenever they feel like, what is the point of a war?

1v1 wars may be exclusive, but there was nothing stopping SC from saying upfront "We want X, Y, Z involved."
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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03 Jan 2017 10:27 AM
its important to be powitically correct on the roblox lego forums
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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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03 Jan 2017 10:28 AM
"Half the time a clan wants to war somebody, they have to deal with a bandwagon of their naysayers joining the enemy side which totally ruins the war experience considering they're driven by malice, not having fun."

there was a time when wars were driven by actual rivalry and dislike for eachother, not just random purposeless 1v1's.

a clans power, other than its own soldiers are its influence - but it comes back negatively too, groups/people that don't like you are driven to undermine your group by helping the enemy group just like the enemy group might pull its allies in for support (sometimes the 2 go hand in hand, depends). this has always been the case on c&g and acting like it hurts wars is silly, the thing that hurts war is trying to prevent it. if your group isn't good enough to handle outsiders joining the enemy team to fight you it probably wasn't going to win the war in the first place - if enough of a single group (like resade has a heavy presence in ac) joins the enemy group you should just war that group too.

but people like to put 100 restrictions on how wars are done like closing recruitment and not using allies so idk.
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PoIonium is online. PoIonium
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03 Jan 2017 10:30 AM
gonna be pretty toxic tbh

foa/c9 vs rat is what the war will be
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ForgedVoid is not online. ForgedVoid
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03 Jan 2017 10:31 AM
i will convince C9 to change to the dark side :P
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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03 Jan 2017 10:31 AM
"there was a time when wars were driven by actual rivalry and dislike for eachother, not just random purposeless 1v1's. "

Still are, but that was a time when we weren't overly-competitive and we could accept losing. The issue with wars being driven by hatred is that both sides will have no regard for the other side having fun; they just want to win.

"if your group isn't good enough to handle outsiders joining the enemy team to fight you it probably wasn't going to win the war in the first place"

That's totally silly. How can you stop somebody from joining a group and how does that determine the group's power?

"a clans power, other than its own soldiers are its influence"

So a weak powerclan favored by C&G could war somebody like A-SOV, have everyone who hates A-SOV join the group, and be totally carried by those C&Gers; is that okay?


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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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03 Jan 2017 10:31 AM
"There are specific modifiers in the sentence that render your point invalid, ie "unilateral", and "intervention".

If SC was upfront saying "We want C9, FoA, etc to participate", sure, that's another ballgame.

They're not.

They're instead having them join *unilaterally* (without our support or acknowledgement) and *intervening* (without our support or acknowledgement) with a war they have no place in. This same toxic attitude is why FoA could never get a war.

If clans are able to just join in whenever they feel like, what is the point of a war?

1v1 wars may be exclusive, but there was nothing stopping SC from saying upfront "We want X, Y, Z involved."

1. a clan shouldn't need permission to recruit friends or allies

2. a 1v2 shouldn't be considered bad either, nor should a 1v3-10

3. the point of a war is to defeat the enemy clan, show off your power. friends/allies are included in this. even if it's a neutral group helping because they dislike the other group, that creates new allies.
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banana_foam is not online. banana_foam
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03 Jan 2017 10:32 AM
SC
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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03 Jan 2017 10:32 AM
That ideology is basically saying hyped-up powerclans and other C&G-reliant groups deserve to win more than groups that are hated by C&G.

Meanwhile groups that are hated by C&G actually, typically, do something useful for the clan world.

You're essentially saying you want the war efforts of progressive clans to be hindered and for C&G-based clans to flourish.


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