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Re: I'm thinking about things again... [Late night ramblings]

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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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30 Dec 2016 11:57 PM
Uh hey this is TL;DR. Fair warning :p

Anyways
I've been thinking

We're all supposed to be tolerant of each other and their beliefs, which I agree with.

However, a lot of times, it seems to a lot of people only certain things deserve tolerance. Like "everyone deserves tolerance UNLESS it goes against my belief!!! Then it is bad and must be stopped!!!!" Which is just.... No..

It doesn't matter how much you dislike someone's belief or opinion. That doesn't mean that person doesn't deserve tolerance. Of course you have the full free will to not tolerate it, but that does not make you the bigger person at all. It just means you are denying someone respect simply because their beliefs differ from yours, beliefs that they have the right to have and don't hurt you or affect you in any way.

Now, this isn't saying people who are spreading hate in the name of their beliefs are okay. People who hurt others for the sake of their beliefs are wrong.

But, if someone just has a different belief than you, and they're just trying to live their life with that belief and not shove anything on you... Be tolerant, ya know?


I dunno guys, I'm up past my bedtime and I get into weird rambling moods at this time of night. Any comments are welcome though


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RobFawkes is not online. RobFawkes
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31 Dec 2016 12:00 AM
exactly, we should all be tolerant of others unless they are mentally ill, or part of a religion that restricts womens rights and promotes killing non-believers.
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FifteenHyphens is not online. FifteenHyphens
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31 Dec 2016 12:01 AM
i'm sorry but pacifism is inherently pro-fascist
notsees won't stop being notsees if you just "love and tolerate" them, in fact, it enables their violence and makes them a lot more dangerous
hate to admit it but violence against fascists is a necessary evil
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31 Dec 2016 12:01 AM
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:02 AM
"exactly, we should all be tolerant of others unless they are mentally ill, or part of a religion that restricts womens rights and promotes killing non-believers."

Ummmmm
No...

Why would you not be tolerant of a mentally-ill person..??
And I'm not sure what religion you're referring to but like I said, people who harm others for the sake of their beliefs are wrong.


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bambamman11 is not online. bambamman11
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31 Dec 2016 12:03 AM
>others unless they are mentally ill

Please tell me you worded this incorrectly
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RobFawkes is not online. RobFawkes
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31 Dec 2016 12:03 AM
i dont think it takes much thinking to know what religion im referring to. also mentally ill people shouldnt be encouraged, they should be treated for their problems
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:03 AM
Fifteen,
We are to love our enemies though. And it isn't our place to enact vengeance on those who have done wrong, either.
They will get what they deserve in the end.


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bambamman11 is not online. bambamman11
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31 Dec 2016 12:05 AM
>also mentally ill people shouldnt be encouraged, they should be treated for their problems


Many mental illnesses lack any treatment
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:06 AM
Rob,
Uhhh no I still don't know

And I think you misunderstand what tolerance is. Tolerance does not mean encouraging. It means dealing with something you don't necessarily agree with. It's respecting someone even if their beliefs or actions are different from yours or what you would do. Of course the mentally-ill should be treated for their problems though.


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RobFawkes is not online. RobFawkes
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31 Dec 2016 12:07 AM
hmmm, maybe muffledspeech is right, maybe those young blokes you see taking the heads off people in iraq arent so bad after all
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FifteenHyphens is not online. FifteenHyphens
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31 Dec 2016 12:07 AM
oh great, let me guess, you're going to use your religion as a justification to let bad people get away with things because they "won't get away with it in the end"

can you not

p.s.

BASH THE FASH
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kookaburrah is not online. kookaburrah
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31 Dec 2016 12:08 AM
"Were all supposed to be tolerant"
"You have the full will not to be tolerant"
wheeze
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:08 AM
Rob I very clearly stated that those who harm others for the sake of their beliefs are wrong... I dunno what you're doing


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RobFawkes is not online. RobFawkes
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31 Dec 2016 12:10 AM
yeah yeah and we also shouldnt act upon it, i read the paragraph
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31 Dec 2016 12:10 AM
Fifteen,
Uhh well it's not letting them get away with things though. They WILL pay for what they do. /shrug

Kooka,
Yes?
We are SUPPOSED to be tolerant, but we do have free will and can choose not to..? What's the issue


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DelightfulCoolman123 is not online. DelightfulCoolman123
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31 Dec 2016 12:10 AM
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil


That quote seemed suitable for this.


oh hey seem like the meme team with a beam, a steam, and cream has came to the stream!
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kookaburrah is not online. kookaburrah
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31 Dec 2016 12:12 AM
the issue is youre condtradicting your statement, seeing as you're pushing for like "pacifism and acceptance" meanwhile it's like....that's there and I'm pretty sure it doesn't further your point at all.
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bambamman11 is not online. bambamman11
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31 Dec 2016 12:13 AM
Rob, there is a difference between preventative retaliation and petty vindictiveness
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FifteenHyphens is not online. FifteenHyphens
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31 Dec 2016 12:13 AM
"Uhh well it's not letting them get away with things though. They WILL pay for what they do. /shrug"

so you're just gonna let them do awful things and inflict pain and danger on innocent people
wow
what an excellent idea /s
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31 Dec 2016 12:14 AM
sometimes there are necessary evils
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:14 AM
Delightful,
Yep! That's a good verse.

Kooka,
I don't follow.
Explain a bit? I might be misunderstanding something you're saying


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Xbox_One is not online. Xbox_One
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31 Dec 2016 12:18 AM
tolerance is for pansies
everyone should have guns and work out their problesmm lool
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kookaburrah is not online. kookaburrah
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31 Dec 2016 12:19 AM
basically,
you're negatively condraticting yourself in that statement.
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MuffledSpeech is not online. MuffledSpeech
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31 Dec 2016 12:20 AM
Fifteen,
It is not my place to take revenge. It is not my place to carry out judgment on people. There is bad in the world, yes. But it will be taken care of. That's all I can say really, I dunno how to make you feel better about it.

I can quote these though:

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. - 1 Peter 3:9

It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them. - Deuteronomy 32:35

If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. - Romans 12:18


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