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Re: It hasn't been "NBC Vs. BC" since Price Floor.

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nairb is online. nairb
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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21 Dec 2016 02:09 AM
Time and again I see threads that claim they are "Pro-NBC" or "Anti-NBC", with the latter commonly seen compared to the former, despite the vast majority of people the former represents.

Before Price Floor, I would have just looked at the threads and moved on. But after Price Floor, I feel like I need to explain something.

When ROBLOX began nerfing Builder's Club to the ground since Price Floor, I seriously began to doubt the debates. At first, it was just "Price Floor Supporters/Protestors", but then it became something more.

Since the removal of BC options, there are people who think that updates like the big three (Price Floor, Removal of BC Options, Removal of Tickets without Compensation) are good updates.

You were directly harmed by ROBLOX Corp.! Yet, you still stand by them and claim the usual "NBC Vs. BC" banter since before Price Floor.

Will it take you until you are permanently banned from the website across all IP's and devices until you get the hint?

And don't give me "Developers!", they are people that are abused by ROBLOX too.

ATR would have deleted my thread. So I'm posting it in here to look for people who can change what ROBLOX has done to us all.
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nairb is online. nairb
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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21 Dec 2016 03:46 PM
Simply put, ROBLOX has intentionally damaged the community to avoid people looking at/to them to fix the real issues.
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marcel878 is not online. marcel878
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21 Dec 2016 03:54 PM
well said
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TriplePattyBurger is not online. TriplePattyBurger
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21 Dec 2016 03:54 PM
Price floors are always bad. So are tix. This is silly to polarize the issue into NBC v. BC.
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marcel878 is not online. marcel878
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21 Dec 2016 03:59 PM
the big devs are at fault as well as the admins
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nairb is online. nairb
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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21 Dec 2016 04:02 PM
As soon as ROBLOX discards them or patches them, they are abused.

They are people, too.

Though I do agree with you on the Administration, that needs a complete replacement or personality shift.
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chatowillwin is online. chatowillwin
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21 Dec 2016 04:12 PM
The reason we support these updates is because they ACTUALLY helped ROBLOX.

Removal of tickets: Tickets were useless. They were inflated, they were starting to make ROBUX inflated, and they created the incentive for bots. And no, there wasn't "No compensation" roblox gave you people a ton of free items in return, and lowered the price floor.

Price floor: Without this, there would be no reason to start a clothing business on ROBLOX ( biggest business on ROBLOX) because if you sell shirt for 1 ROBUX, you get nothing. So when you create a shirt and try to get money off of it by selling it for 5 R$, people will just not buy it and instead buy a cheaper 1 R$ version.


Get your facts straight kid.


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nairb is online. nairb
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21 Dec 2016 04:28 PM
Case in point, Chatowillwin.

More sales would bring up your clothing, less sales would not. If someone was truly for-profit back then, they would put it at R$2, to avoid the taxes.

There were more elegant solutions than barring people from the economy without forcing them to buy from ROBLOX.

I care about everyone. You do not.

Are those "facts" of yours propaganda?
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chatowillwin is online. chatowillwin
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21 Dec 2016 04:32 PM
"More sales would bring up your clothing, less sales would not. If someone was truly for-profit back then, they would put it at R$2, to avoid the taxes."

I 100% guarantee you changing it to 2R$ will NOT at all in any way make 3x the sales. I have never once met ONE peson who has said "ugh, I have robux but this shirt is WAYY too expensive for 5 whole ROBUX. I guess I won't buy it"


"There were more elegant solutions than barring people from the economy without forcing them to buy from ROBLOX."

But, what you don't realize is that even with tickets, people could to basically NOTHING! Tickets were virtually worthless! Don't believe me? Even people back when tix EXISTED said they were useless
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=120417463
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=122629055
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=125018106
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=155407511
And there are tons more.

Where are your facts? Where is your proof to your point? Are those "Facts" of yours propaganda?


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batguy234 is not online. batguy234
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21 Dec 2016 04:33 PM
You got it right!


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cybertester is not online. cybertester
Joined: 26 Apr 2013
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21 Dec 2016 04:35 PM
Bad idea. Price floor and tickets being removed happened for a reason. I think you're just too closed minded to realize that so I am not even going to argue with you. I'll leave that to cato.


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chatowillwin is online. chatowillwin
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21 Dec 2016 04:36 PM
@AnthonyChi can you explain to me how I don't care about people? Please, explain.


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Vescatur is not online. Vescatur
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21 Dec 2016 04:40 PM
I disagree with your points.

Pricefloor was designed to increase the quality of clothing uploaded to ROBLOX, and to some extent it has done that; As well, I personally enjoy getting 3 robux per shirt/pants I sell rather than 1 tix- Clothing creators are making far more than they were prior.

Removal of tickets gives more incentive to actually contribute to ROBLOX and developers. Users that want the 'extra features' of games now have to either A) purchase robux, B) purchase BC and use the daily robux or selling clothes to make robux, or C) creating games that users are able to play and selling gamepasses. It helps developers by having gamepasses and developer products actually able to make decent money, rather than having to sell them so cheap that they make hardly anything.

As a developer, the updates have benefited me incredibly. As OBC it hasn't affected me as much as others, because I ALREADY was contributing to ROBLOX. Yes, I pay for extra features, that does not make my points invalid, it just means that I care enough to actually put forth some money towards the company that creates this FREE GAMING AND DEVELOPING PLATFORM that I love.
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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 04:40 PM
"@AnthonyChi can you explain to me how I don't care about people? Please, explain."

You are biased.

All I need to say.

Now get your selfish butt up and make more money. It will distract you.

https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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chatowillwin is online. chatowillwin
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21 Dec 2016 04:43 PM
OMG literally laughing right now.

The funny part is you most likely want people to take you seriously, but you clearly don't even know what the definition of "explain" is lmfao.


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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 04:48 PM
"Removal of tickets gives more incentive to actually contribute to ROBLOX and developers. Users that want the 'extra features' of games now have to either A) purchase robux, B) purchase BC and use the daily robux or selling clothes to make robux, or C) creating games that users are able to play and selling gamepasses. It helps developers by having gamepasses and developer products actually able to make decent money, rather than having to sell them so cheap that they make hardly anything."

However, that makes the game less populated and felt more limited (get it!).

Yes, you may get more decent money, but less of the decent money is coming through.

There are many flaws to these solutions to get extra features:

A) Purchasing R$ is very hard, especially for a child.

BEFORE YOU SAY: "Well then just leave, it's not ROBLOX's problem if their mommy can't buy it", You have to realize it is ROBLOX's problem.

Why would anyone want to have their users leave from their game? You are supposed to GAIN, not LOSE.

B) Again at A

C) Advertisements, and 90% TAX

Less people will buy your gamepasses if they can't afford it and are too afraid to spend their money that have.



https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 04:49 PM
"OMG literally laughing right now.

The funny part is you most likely want people to take you seriously, but you clearly don't even know what the definition of "explain" is lmfao."

Laughing at how you can't take my explanation.

https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 04:50 PM
Now, before this flame war spurts out even more flame (Which is against the rules of S&I to have flame wars), let's just say that TIX will never come back.

TIX won't come back as because ROBLOX said so.

GOODBYE

https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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Vescatur is not online. Vescatur
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21 Dec 2016 04:54 PM
"A) Purchasing R$ is very hard, especially for a child.

BEFORE YOU SAY: "Well then just leave, it's not ROBLOX's problem if their mommy can't buy it", You have to realize it is ROBLOX's problem.

Why would anyone want to have their users leave from their game? You are supposed to GAIN, not LOSE."

I don't know the exact numbers, but ROBLOX has significantly SWELLED in users. Used to be front page games had 5,000ish users MAXIMUM back in 2013/2014 prior to ROBLOX making all these "bad" updates. Now there's 21,000 IN ONE FRONT PAGE GAME ALONE, with 13,000, 12,000, and 11,000 following close behind.
If ROBLOX is making "making their users leave their game" by putting these updates out, why is it that there are far more people actively using the site than prior to the updates?
It is not ROBLOX's fault or problem that a child's "mommy" cannot buy them robux or BC, if they can't afford it, they can't afford it. Having them as a user is almost meaningless if they aren't doing anything for the site.
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Jascha is not online. Jascha
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21 Dec 2016 04:56 PM
Flame war ya say?

I can help with that. I only need one word. *ahem* *clears throat loudly*

... ゴゴゴゴ g o l d f i s h m e m o r i e s ゴゴゴゴ ...

Now let the triggered kiddies start rollin' innnn ;p
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chatowillwin is online. chatowillwin
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21 Dec 2016 05:00 PM
@Vesc thank you.

It's really funny how there are so many facts and so much proof to go against all these complainers, but they still say that we are the dumb ones.


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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 05:01 PM
I said I will cut this flame war but OMG

"if they can't afford it, they can't afford it. Having them as a user is almost meaningless if they aren't doing anything for the site."

Everyone has a meaning.

k now.

https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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Vescatur is not online. Vescatur
Joined: 18 Feb 2012
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21 Dec 2016 05:03 PM
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying.

I said "Having them as a user is almost meaningless"

From a company standpoint, a user that does not contribute anything to the site other than taking up a username is, indeed, meaningless.
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Anthonychi is online. Anthonychi
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21 Dec 2016 05:06 PM
"It's really funny how there are so many facts and so much proof to go against all these complainers, but they still say that we are the dumb ones. "

You may have more proof

But your proof doesn't have any meaning.

Except for that population one.

Maybe ROBLOX grew faster than they had lost.

ROBLOX will stop growing faster because if you look at this logic:

Wear the same thing = Get bored

Yep.

No proof can defeat that.

PROBLEM SOLVED

go to sleep, it's past your bedtime

https://www.roblox.com/library/448235351/bleach
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Vescatur is not online. Vescatur
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21 Dec 2016 05:08 PM
I wore the same outfit on ROBLOX for 3 1/2 years without getting 'bored' of it.

That's not a fact at all.
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