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Re: Why does everyone hate Undertale?

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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:04 PM
I'm not in the fanbase, but I do like the game a lot because of its message of spreading peace, good soundtrack, and—let's be honest, good gameplay. The monsters are trapped underground, you can choose between freeing them, just getting out and leaving them, or completely killing them all(or just killing some). This seems like a good story. I like the characters and puns, and the game is pretty solid.

The fanbase seems to be the only reason people hate it, and that's not really a good reason when it's the ONLY reason you hate the game.

I'd like to hear some constructive criticism that tells me why people hate it, other than "Bad Characters(I'm not explaining why they're bad, not constructive criticism), bad plot(nothing saying why the plot is bad), and bad gameplay(you get the idea)." I do respect your opinion, as long as there's a good explanation to why.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:11 PM
well, not EVERYONE.
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lolwa21 is not online. lolwa21
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13 Dec 2016 07:12 PM
its overrated

-story with tons of plot holes

-little to no lore (and no, a small character background story doesnt count as lore)

-short

-heavily borrowed concepts froms other games despite the fanbase claiming its 100% original

-long and boring fights that you can only end after spamming space on the interact/examine button until you can actually spare them. If you kill one, insignificant thing the game punishes you

-humour that gets stale from the beginning

-characters that are flat and boring that the games constantly tries to push as ''quirky and weird ahhahaha look at how unique and hilarious these characters are xD lets make them do the same garbage running gags a bunch of times xD''


''BAP!'' -Engineer, TF2
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:17 PM
Now I can see why some dislike it.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:17 PM
Still love the game, though.
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xlivelyhopeful4231x is not online. xlivelyhopeful4231x
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13 Dec 2016 07:25 PM
I personally like undertale, and I like games that have morals about spreading peace and prosperity and the characters and music are the best part! But it is a little unlogical (how does chara use a knife to defeat sans when he's a skeleton, technically the knife should'nt be able to cut bone, and skeletons can't bleed)
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badpizzaplaceworker is online. badpizzaplaceworker
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13 Dec 2016 07:34 PM
Totally messed up.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:35 PM
And you gave no soecific reasons as to why Undertale is bad.
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badpizzaplaceworker is online. badpizzaplaceworker
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13 Dec 2016 07:37 PM
I personally think ### ### #### would Chara use a knife to kill Sans. She could just smash him. And, the gameplay is pretty boring.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:40 PM
"gameplay is pretty boring" tells me nothing. Why is the gameplay boring? Tired of these quarter-baked "reasons".
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lolwa21 is not online. lolwa21
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13 Dec 2016 07:44 PM
its boring because all you do is walk forward and do a couple of ''puzzles'' with some gimmicks and mechanics that you use once and never use for the rest of the game (like the bridges you have to build with flowers).


and when your in a battle, you have two choices:


a) spam spacebar on interact/examine for hours until you can finally spare them and gain only money from the battle, which is useless.

or

b) end the fight quicker by killing them, but killing one monster locks you out of the good ending and you cant access a lot of content because you got tired of hearing that insufferable battle theme.


''BAP!'' -Engineer, TF2
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:44 PM
badpizzaplaceworker seeing your posts about undertale you just come off to me as one of those people that just hate things for no reason(yes, there are people like this—just pick a random thing and hate it).
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:46 PM
@lolwa The game is about being peaceful, and I like the battles because navigating the heart is pretty fun.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:47 PM
Oh wait, at least lolwa guves off reasons and I can respect his opinions.
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badpizzaplaceworker is online. badpizzaplaceworker
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13 Dec 2016 07:49 PM
I mean, it's very hard to complete.
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lolwa21 is not online. lolwa21
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13 Dec 2016 07:49 PM
The meaning of a game doesnt mean anything, especially when it limits how fun the game is.



''BAP!'' -Engineer, TF2
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:55 PM
I guess that is true, lolwa, for someone who doesn't enjoy playing it as much as I do.
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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 07:56 PM
But seriously why do people draw Sans and Papyrus doing things—like what the heck Undertale fanbase
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xlivelyhopeful4231x is not online. xlivelyhopeful4231x
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13 Dec 2016 07:58 PM
Can we all just agree that undertale is a good game and that the gameplay is fun and the characters are memorable and the music is awesome?
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lolwa21 is not online. lolwa21
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13 Dec 2016 08:00 PM
no.


Overall, its a simple and short game for simple and short-minded people





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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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13 Dec 2016 08:08 PM
"for simple and short-minded people." My least favorite type of person is the "ANYONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE MY OPINION IS AN IDIOT" type guy.
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RobFawkes is not online. RobFawkes
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13 Dec 2016 11:47 PM
theninja94 hes not saying that at all dont be dumb
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EXcellent is not online. EXcellent
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14 Dec 2016 03:03 AM
I like it. It's a great experience.
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EXcellent is not online. EXcellent
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14 Dec 2016 03:05 AM
Also, OP, I'm total devil's advocate: you just need to respect people's opinions. Being pushy and stubborn is what paints us in the fandom in a bad light.
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Skebby is not online. Skebby
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14 Dec 2016 08:19 AM
My problem with Undertale is that it is unmemorable for me (except the music). I can't say that I DISLIKED Undertale. (liking something is different from disliking, and I do think that Undertale has undeserved hate)


"-little to no lore (and no, a small character background story doesnt count as lore)"
Actually, there is lore throughout the story, through multiple characters you could talk to (mainly at shops) and books/diagrams to look at. In the hidden laboratory, there even are VHS tapes to look at that tell you LORE. There are also other stuff, like Sans' room.


-heavily borrowed concepts froms other games despite the fanbase claiming its 100% original"
>Combat System is original
>Story is original (not sure about scenario)

-long and boring fights that you can only end after spamming space on the interact/examine button until you can actually spare them. If you kill one, insignificant thing the game punishes you."
Actually, you can still "fight" monsters in Undertale, and sometimes you have to get them at a low health before you can spare them. Also, what choice do you have, interacting, if you are not "fighting." I could say that fights are long and boring because you have to spam the "fight" button.

-humour that gets stale from the beginning"
Here is a weird fact, but most humor in this game was supposed to be stale.

-characters that are flat and boring that the games constantly tries to push as ''quirky and weird ahhahaha look at how unique and hilarious these characters are xD lets make them do the same garbage running gags a bunch of times xD''"
Strangely, these "running gags" develop the character.
When the same character begs for you to not kill them, that they are alone because of their jokes, or of a character just gets pissed off, it is character development.



The fandom was the worst thing that ever happened, though.
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