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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 07:52 AM
what is your vision of a perfect world?
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MiddleEastern is not online. MiddleEastern
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10 Dec 2016 07:55 AM
to sum it up, i am a post-left anarcho-communist
going into detail and explaining what this means to me would take quite a while


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10 Dec 2016 07:55 AM
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10 Dec 2016 07:57 AM
it would be easier if you asked me more specific questions like on what issues


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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 07:59 AM
uh

what punishments are there
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TheYuhMan is not online. TheYuhMan
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10 Dec 2016 08:01 AM
sinny, anarcho-communism may work out for your little commune, but it would be impossible for the world to achieve
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10 Dec 2016 08:01 AM
haven't laughed this much since sinii last posted

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10 Dec 2016 08:04 AM
my ideal society would not have many "bad people" who are hurting others in the first place, because i believe that capitalism and statism and other hierarchies drive people to do hurtful things, but of course, there would still be a few "wrongdoings"

any "wrongdoers", i.e., anyone hurting other beings, would likely be ostracized by the people of the commune that they've wronged, and non-hierarchical vigilantes would be there to defend vulnerable people, if it was necessary

there would be no prison or police enforcement and definitely no executions

also we'd focus on rehabilitation rather than "punishment"

the most that would happen is that they don't get any better and are ostracized and must leave the commune because no one wants to help them or hang around them


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theninja94 is not online. theninja94
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10 Dec 2016 08:05 AM
A perfect world is a world where there are no laws and everyone's running around killing people, stealing things from each other, and rioting.

That's exactly what having no laws is like, sinsin
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10 Dec 2016 08:05 AM
yuhman

the world would have multiple communes...


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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 08:06 AM
I agree except for the no police part

having some people making sure no one does anything wrong can't hurt
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10 Dec 2016 08:06 AM
theninja...

there would be little to no motivation to hurt other people under complete anarcho-communism


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10 Dec 2016 08:06 AM
@middle

so essentially you're suggesting we go back to the stone age


nice
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10 Dec 2016 08:08 AM
@flaminmetal

there would be non-hierarchical vigilantes in a commune if it were necessary
not police, as that implies they uphold the "law" or the "state", but like people who defend anyone who needs defense
(besides, practically, people would be less vulnerable in this sort of society)


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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 08:09 AM
oh I see

does everyone need to do a certain job?
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10 Dec 2016 08:13 AM
@flaminmetal

there'd likely be a "gift economy"
everyone would sufficiently meet their needs and they'd likely be in a better condition to "work", so there's not much reason why someone wouldn't "work" under this system
the gift economy would encourage people to help others and produce goods and services to them, as they'd get more luxuries if they did, and they'd "work" in whatever way is best for them too


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10 Dec 2016 08:13 AM
healthcare?

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10 Dec 2016 08:14 AM
"there'd be no motivation to hurt others" On the news, a guy got shot and killed over ROAD RAGE. I think it'd be way worse with no laws
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10 Dec 2016 08:16 AM
"the gift economy would encourage people to help others and produce goods and services to them, as they'd get more luxuries if they did,"

this is starting to sound less and less like anarchy or communism
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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 08:16 AM
they uh

its siniis perfect world , not exactly what anarcho communism is
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MiddleEastern is not online. MiddleEastern
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10 Dec 2016 08:17 AM
healthcare would be free, as nothing would be bought with money, and immediately accessible to anyone who needed it, as it's a basic necessity
this includes mental healthcare if needed
if we had these conditions, people would be in much better shape to "work" as in provide goods and services for others


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MiddleEastern is not online. MiddleEastern
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10 Dec 2016 08:18 AM
"this is starting to sound less and less like anarchy or communism"

then you don't know what anarchy or communism are


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MiddleEastern is not online. MiddleEastern
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10 Dec 2016 08:18 AM
also yuhman i mentioned i'm post-left


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FlaminMetal is not online. FlaminMetal
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10 Dec 2016 08:19 AM
overpopulation?
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TheYuhMan is not online. TheYuhMan
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10 Dec 2016 08:19 AM
anarchy is the complete absence of any law and/or order


this perfect world of yours obviously has some laws
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