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Re: proof that randomness and luck are spooks

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OmegaGmaster is not online. OmegaGmaster
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07 Dec 2016 09:52 AM
you see, in coding/videogames, there may be something you refer to as "rng"

but it's not really rng at all

here's a quick example

in super mario 64, there is an rng function and an rng value. the rng value is used as a parameter in the rng function when it is called, and the function does stuff to the rng and it spits out a new rng value

but this isn't random

instead, it's a cycle of values that goes around and eventually loops back to the start

this is not random at all

now, in real life, it's the same deal: there is no such thing as random

when you throw a die, there are a billion factors that affect the results of the throw, such as throw speed, air friction, landing surface, angle, and so much more

it is very possible to manipulate these results so you get the same roll or a déŝirẵbłế rőłł

luck is a subset of random so it is automatically a spook too

therefore randomness or luck isn't real. it's just a spook and our excuse whenever we lose a game of monopoly or ssb4
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 10:02 AM
yes


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bike_BOYZ91 is not online. bike_BOYZ91
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07 Dec 2016 10:04 AM
so because there's one loop that goes around every 10 millennia, that means randomness doesn't exist

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KoolWaterLK is online. KoolWaterLK
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07 Dec 2016 10:04 AM
luck may not be real, but you can be lucky <

as in, the factors that effect the die, or whatever it is, maybe happen to be in your favor
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OmegaGmaster is not online. OmegaGmaster
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07 Dec 2016 10:09 AM
"so because there's one loop that goes around every 10 millennia, that means randomness doesn't exist"

absolutely

also the cycle takes about ~6-15 minutes to loop once depending on how many "rng" based operations are occuring in game
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VityaBC is not online. VityaBC
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07 Dec 2016 10:14 AM
Luck and chance is real:

Ecclesiastes 9:11-12

“I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. Moreover, no man knows when his hour will come: As fish are caught in a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly upon them.”

God rules over luck and chance:

Proverbs 16:33
“The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord.”

Explains why I get such terrible luck whenever fail here:

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

I see the way out but I'm too lazy to go there. I need to work on that.
Good luck usually follows when I resist these properly, speaking from experience
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amna7989 is not online. amna7989
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07 Dec 2016 10:15 AM
This makes my brain hurt.
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OmegaGmaster is not online. OmegaGmaster
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07 Dec 2016 10:17 AM
@vitya

okay fine luck is debatable

coincidence is a different story (i no longer know how to feel about it)

but randomness truly does not exist
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VityaBC is not online. VityaBC
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07 Dec 2016 10:18 AM
My idea of luck is fixed on that cause it's written in sources greater than myself, but I agree that everything happens for a reason
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 06:27 PM
spook doesn't mean it doesn't exist, omega
spooks exist as ideas or social constructs
they're anything that's not entirely physical


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bike_BOYZ91 is not online. bike_BOYZ91
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07 Dec 2016 06:41 PM
sinii is a spook
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 06:43 PM
technically individuals can't be spooks


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bike_BOYZ91 is not online. bike_BOYZ91
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07 Dec 2016 06:43 PM
you're not an individual you're your own planet
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 06:44 PM
even if i were a planet i wouldn't be a spook because real planets aren't spooks


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bike_BOYZ91 is not online. bike_BOYZ91
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07 Dec 2016 06:46 PM
who decides what's a spook and what isn't

are you sure it's not just a concept you've made up to define anything you disagree with?
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elitestormtrooper111 is not online. elitestormtrooper111
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07 Dec 2016 06:46 PM
This thread is a spook


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07 Dec 2016 06:47 PM
Halloween was last month


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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 06:48 PM
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max stirner (and similar philosophers) is the one who defined these things not me


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bike_BOYZ91 is not online. bike_BOYZ91
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07 Dec 2016 07:03 PM
well sinii im redefining spook and you cant stop me because its avoiding the progression of a language if you do
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 07:09 PM
that's not how language works
the language is decided by all people not just one


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Invictiums is not online. Invictiums
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07 Dec 2016 07:17 PM
"the language is decided by all people not just one"

why do u disregard the dictionary so much then.................................................................................................
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 07:20 PM
the dictionary doesn't tell us all there is to know about a topic
if your car breaks down then the dictionary's definition of car isn't gonna help you with that


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Invictiums is not online. Invictiums
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07 Dec 2016 07:24 PM
sure it would
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Rzeczpospolita is not online. Rzeczpospolita
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07 Dec 2016 07:25 PM
...no it won't


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gryphunk2 is online. gryphunk2
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07 Dec 2016 07:25 PM
ssbb > ssb4


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