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| 07 Dec 2016 06:47 PM |
if you learn the writing system you'll find that everything is pronounceable and not as hard as it looks for example my username
zhech-poss-poh-lee-tah zh like the z in seizure if that was unclear
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:48 PM |
its p different from english so
most foreigners arent going to be used to the combination of letters such as "Rz" bc those dont exist in english 4 example |
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:48 PM |
| Cuz not everyone's as talented and awesome at languages like u |
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:49 PM |
| because they're scary!!! :( |
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:50 PM |
rz is just a zh sound though like a french j or in english we also say that like the z in seizure or the s in asia
cz is like ch
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:50 PM |
| people dont know that off hand !!!!! |
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:51 PM |
my point is not that the orthography is easy or familiar it's that the phonology isn't as difficult as people say it is
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:52 PM |
| it's not xenophobic to say it's hard to pronounce |
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| 07 Dec 2016 06:54 PM |
well sure tom? i guess you could say that? but basically anyone saying it's hard to pronounce, i guarantee they're just making a big assumption and not an informed opinion
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:04 PM |
| how do you expect me to pronounce something i cant even spell right of course "rzreczcezchezeczech" is an exaggeration but the joke is based around the fact that it's hard to spell/pronounce to me, not the ########## that all polish people speak that way |
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:05 PM |
i always thought "wszyscy" was hard to pronounce
but i learned the orthography and it's not that difficult tbh
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:05 PM |
my username shouldn't be hard for you to pronounce if you're a native english speaker though that's my point every sound in that word is also present in english
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:08 PM |
"i always thought "wszyscy" was hard to pronounce"
yeah and the consonant clusters might be unfamiliar to english speakers but i find they're easy to get used to oh also you should keep in mind that polish does voicing assimilation just like english does so the w in that word is pronounced like an english f and not an english v which actually makes that word easier to pronounce and if you can't pronounce the consonant clusters so easily anyway just try to say the first consonant as part of the previous word or so
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:09 PM |
"also you should keep in mind that polish does voicing assimilation just like english does"
i've seen this happen in greek but i don't know the rules for polish? can you explain please
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:13 PM |
"i've seen this happen in greek but i don't know the rules for polish? can you explain please"
well should be simple enough in a consonant cluster you can't have a voiceless and a voiced consonant together so like one of them has to change w is changed to an f sound if it's pronounced with a voiceless consonant like sz i think you mostly just devoice if there's a voiceless and voiced consonant together also polish devoices consonants at the end of words like turkish does but they don't change the spelling of the word which is interesting lol so the b in chleb is pronounced like a p
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:14 PM |
oh so it's like consonant harmony just easier than vowels?
hmm that's interesting
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:16 PM |
yeah pretty much
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:20 PM |
"my point is not that the orthography is easy or familiar"
you answered your question right there^ english speaking people see words like szczecin and have no idea how to pronounce that clusters of consonants
it still cracks me up that łódź is pronounced woodge
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:22 PM |
vvein i said the PHONOLOGY of polish isn't as difficult as people assume it is i said nothing about the orthography and the orthography is, at most, just unfamiliar, not actually difficult
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:23 PM |
i literally just said that the unfamiliar orthography makes people think that the phonology is hard
you asked a question and i gave an answer
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:24 PM |
szczecin is easy to say it's just shcheh-cheen łódź is easy to say too if you understand that ł is like w and ó is like oo and dź is like j then it's a piece of cake
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:24 PM |
vvein so you're saying that i'm right
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| 07 Dec 2016 07:25 PM |
English is better polish is irrelevant k bye
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