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Re: older leaders are wasting their time

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The_Conductor is not online. The_Conductor
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06 Dec 2016 04:19 PM
they will either hop groups like me or just shutdown/pass on the group later on and quit and have the group die
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ConspiracyTD is not online. ConspiracyTD
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06 Dec 2016 04:20 PM
same


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:21 PM
i swear i said this to you before and you shouted at me as if i was speaking blasphemy


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sou_p is not online. sou_p
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06 Dec 2016 04:21 PM
no you were probably on your phone so you were probably speaking gibberish


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:23 PM
nobody asked for your input negan cultist


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The_Conductor is not online. The_Conductor
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06 Dec 2016 04:24 PM
did u?
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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06 Dec 2016 04:26 PM
the group won't die if it's built properly


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:26 PM
yeah when you petitioned for TCC back i think

or i'm hallucinating


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KINGISOLAYTOR is not online. KINGISOLAYTOR
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06 Dec 2016 04:29 PM
Naaaa. Not true
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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06 Dec 2016 04:29 PM
the difference between most leaders and ISO is that ISO doesn't have to quit for his group to die


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06 Dec 2016 04:30 PM


Oh my god lol.


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sou_p is not online. sou_p
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06 Dec 2016 04:30 PM
yea i swear daniel radcliffe is like 30 but iso is still leading
































































in a way


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:33 PM
"the group won't die if it's built properly"

although i agree with this, it's hard to compare this on roblox with the increased immaturity and disloyalty between clan participants nowadays; vak is probably the only example of a sustainable clan but even they had their hardships

the clan can easily be built properly, but it's down to it's participants to maintain it's foundations


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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06 Dec 2016 04:33 PM
well if you have a good successor with a good foundation in the group, you have nothing to worry about


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Dalax_Vanhar is not online. Dalax_Vanhar
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06 Dec 2016 04:36 PM
i mean..........PSICOM lasted pretty long and it was a clusterf-
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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:36 PM
you're missing the point; it's rare to have a loyal, dedicated and intelligent community these days due to my previous post

you're only passing on the group to someone who will just bestow the same struggles of holding the foundations upright

community is the key to sustaining the group, not it's hierarchy, hence the deaths of most clans


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sou_p is not online. sou_p
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06 Dec 2016 04:38 PM
bestow

are you a priest now, barbie?


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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06 Dec 2016 04:38 PM
yeah but if you made the group right then you will have a solid, loyal community


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:38 PM
PSICOM was just a basic superclan that had potential but died due to my own faults, not the clan

i wouldn't say it was a "clusterf-" without some form of explanation, but i wouldn't lie and say it was perfect, because it was far from it

but i see no relevance in bringing up my old clan aha


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:46 PM
"yeah but if you made the group right then you will have a solid, loyal community"

yes and no, again i do not disagree fully, but i do not agree fully either.

a group has a foundation, this foundation is everything the leader and his/her hierarchy have constructed, assessed, and implemented in order to create the initial group. once done, you add everything on top and let it grow, expand, and flourish. however, that sounds all easy to say than to do

to make a "solid, loyal community" is probably almost impossible nowadays; most clan participants are either hoppers or band-wagoners putting no true dedication into their community. you then have the inexperienced members who require a lot of work and attention, yet have a low chance of maintaining their loyalty due to perhaps other interests on ROBLOX (games, roleplay, new genres), not to mention their activity not being that reliable. age is also a problem as it determines ones character; the younger you are, the less reliable you are. the older you are, the more egotistical you are.

unfortunately, just by making the "group right" does not necessarily mean it will be sustainable, because unfortunately you can't easily maintain a group online as you hold less authority than you believe to have.


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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06 Dec 2016 04:48 PM
the highest aspiration for a group leader is to create a system that will long outlast the leader's resignation

it's something that only one person in the history of groups would likely succeed in for the moment being
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zman250 is not online. zman250
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06 Dec 2016 04:48 PM
"the difference between most leaders and ISO is that ISO doesn't have to quit for his group to die"

this is funny, idk if it's true but funny


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OrionOffensive is not online. OrionOffensive
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06 Dec 2016 04:49 PM
most old leaders flop these days
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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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06 Dec 2016 04:52 PM
"the highest aspiration for a group leader is to create a system that will long outlast the leader's resignation"

this is an aspiration that would be cool to see but hard to incorporate


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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06 Dec 2016 04:54 PM
as stated, it is the highest aspiration of all and only one person at the moment has good chances of making it happen
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