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Re: sit down for a quick lecture on the electoral college

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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:30 PM
and how it's the single most important protector of "true democracy" in presidential elections


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these are the 2012 results because i couldn't find a 2016 version, but the message still applies. let's pretend these are 2016 results for the sake of the argument.

now, like the new jersey plan, the electoral college has one goal - to represent weaker and smaller states equally with larger and more powerful ones. despite the blue districts taking up a much smaller area, these account for the majority of the US population. by appealing to tech world, millennials, and urban life; a candidate can easily win the majority. the other 45ish percent of the country, although being much more geographically diverse, can be relatively ignored without losing the race. this is a strategy of democratic candidates.

luckily a founding father named James Madison introduced the electoral college. like the formation of the senate, smaller states and rural america can be represented equally under the constitution. that >>yuge<< red blob on this map can have a chance to win office despite being a minority in the popular vote.


that's what the electoral college is for. it represents minorities of the popular vote and prevents candidates who appeal to only certain groups of people sweeping the board whilst ignoring very important demog###################try.

and if anyone is all for sticking up for the minority, it should be the people complaining about the electoral college at this very moment. leftists.
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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:30 PM
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spIashes is not online. spIashes
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10 Nov 2016 11:31 PM
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the kids on here who do not understand the electoral college will learn when they take civics/government/american history


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Ran502 is not online. Ran502
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10 Nov 2016 11:31 PM
madison and the other founders sought not only to avoid having a tyrannical central government but also to guard against the tyranny of the majority

and that's why the electoral college is the best system for presidential elections


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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10 Nov 2016 11:32 PM
shut up kailey you probably think hillary should win because she won the popular vote -____-


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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:32 PM
correct ran

james madison worried about what he called “factions,” or groups of people who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation entirely.
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Ran502 is not online. Ran502
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10 Nov 2016 11:33 PM
getting involved in politics and becoming an informed, active citizen before taking a high school civics or government class is not a bad thing

im not sure why people place such a stigma on being young and politically active/informed


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spIashes is not online. spIashes
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10 Nov 2016 11:36 PM
ran, i was just pointing out that no one will take any of this seriously. props to you if you get informed before taking the class, but most people will just ignore you.

and no, i've made it clear multiple times that i know that donald trump won....


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spIashes is not online. spIashes
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10 Nov 2016 11:36 PM
personally again just tired of hearing about this election and anything relating to it, just want to get back to normal topicsss


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Ran502 is not online. Ran502
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10 Nov 2016 11:37 PM
perhaps that's why blood posted this in the first place then?

to incentivize people, even a small amount, to begin taking it seriously by providing a detailed and well-thought out explanation of a mechanism that is currently under heavy debate in society


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spIashes is not online. spIashes
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10 Nov 2016 11:39 PM
idk that's up to him bro blood you do your thing i'm just tired


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HMAX12 is not online. HMAX12
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10 Nov 2016 11:40 PM
Don't make me slap u blood
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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10 Nov 2016 11:43 PM
Yes but if you do not see this bluntly on the CNN election map the separation of the vote is exactly half. Now say we don't take the majority vote we could still remove the system of winner takes all, as in multiple key states Hillary had half of the vote with 2% or less taken away. we can make regulation for votes that are 60% or higher etc. this way EVERY VOTE COUNTS in this election i could not tell you who would have won with my hypothetical because candidates don't normally campaign everywhere. The electoral college "defends" smaller states but was created because larger states were originally ##### states. The spread of population is wild enough that large ############# like ################################ still couldn't beat out the other major population states. but even then we have that issue with "battle ground states" which is an issue of where they target their focus and campaign to.
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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:45 PM
a farmer in montana's vote would not count if a candidate could win every election by appealing only to urban coastal areas

this is not rocket science
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10 Nov 2016 11:46 PM
But aren't these factions exactly what trump is against.

His rhetoric is blown out of proportion but he is pretty bluntly a face value person.
He would injure a large amount of people with his win. I know certainly THESE people who are worried about their rights are still worried
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10 Nov 2016 11:47 PM
I just explained a system that would work, you just avoided my whole post, only thing that was censored were the states that I listed off. and battle ground
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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:49 PM
we already have that system. maine and nebraska's congressional districts.

both of which trump won.




there are no legal bindings saying all states can't adopt a similar system


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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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10 Nov 2016 11:50 PM
"But aren't these factions exactly what trump is against."

precisely

and the electoral college allowed him and his voters to overcome that faction



that's the entire point of the electoral college.
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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11 Nov 2016 12:15 AM
Not what I am saying at the first comment. Factions as in the black/asian/women/mexican/muslim communities
and yes there is nothing legal but the push for it is what people want it would need to be amended into the constitution and is what people want because they had the same thing happen with algore with an even larger lead.
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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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11 Nov 2016 12:20 AM
"Factions as in the black/asian/women/mexican/muslim communities"

factions would be the majority, not minority


the electoral college protects the groups you just listed
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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11 Nov 2016 12:32 AM
The electoral college didn't protect those groups because those groups felt like they were not heard in this election. In a large mass. AS you can see from the majority vote. They are saying that a large group of blue collar white Americans (the majority) did a ##### ##### (racist objective term). Making the over all turn out absurdly larger than normal.
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BIoodborne is not online. BIoodborne
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11 Nov 2016 01:04 AM
it doesnt exactly apply when those groups turn out in record lows, and trump wins votes from those groups with record highs

lmao
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11 Nov 2016 01:36 AM
The white women vote maybe
anything else I just mentioned absolutely not
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