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Re: Socialism/Communism Death Tolls

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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:25 AM
China: 73,237,000 + 700,000 (1931-1934)
Russia: 58,627,000 + 3,284,000 (Pre-Civil War)
North Korea: 3,163,000
Cambodia: 2,627,000
Afghanistan: 1,750,000
Vietnam: 1,670,000
Ethiopia: 1,343,610
Yugoslavia: 1,072,000
Various other Communist countries: Roughly 1,500,000 altogether

For a grand total of...

Roughly 148,973,610 killed over the past 100 years alone under the flag of Socialism/Communism. Compiled from various sources (Young, Rummel, Courtois, U.S. Human Rights Committee).

Communism is second only to the Black Death in regards to being a case of tragic loss of human life in both a short length of time and massive amount of people lost. At least it works, right?
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:27 AM
Muh tru commienism was never tried
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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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05 Nov 2016 10:27 AM
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:30 AM
Yeah, a statistic that states communism has killed more people than any other ideology or war over the span of one hundred years in history.
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:36 AM
Bumping this until commie threads go away.
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HighSparrows is online. HighSparrows
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05 Nov 2016 10:37 AM
Socialist* Not communist, learn the difference.
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:39 AM
There is no difference, socialism is just communism for moderate people, which to no surprise has still resulted in millions of people dead.
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SirDoomKnight is online. SirDoomKnight
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05 Nov 2016 10:41 AM
sorlor stop, ur embittering me greatly.


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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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05 Nov 2016 10:42 AM
idiot, socialism is basically communism mixed with capitalism

please get informed.
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konlon15 is not online. konlon15
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05 Nov 2016 10:43 AM
This isn't communism
I personally support communism in every degree, and none of these countries where communist
Also the United States killed over 100 million native americans, and imposed strict racist rules against them and (not literally, but kind of) put them in cages. And yet America is the greatest country ever
You capitalist hypocritical americans
Viva La Revolution
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:48 AM
"This isn't communism
I personally support communism in every degree, and none of these countries where communist
Also the United States killed over 100 million native americans, and imposed strict racist rules against them and (not literally, but kind of) put them in cages. And yet America is the greatest country ever
You capitalist hypocritical americans
Viva La Revolution"

In no words in this thread did I ever mention America being the best country in the world, although this is a great observation on your part.

Also, the topic is communist death tolls, friend, not the perpetuated killing and forced migration of Native Americans by literally every country that colonized the Americas.
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SirDoomKnight is online. SirDoomKnight
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05 Nov 2016 10:49 AM
i mean he's not wrong******, but if we're going off this logic of death count I could easily argue that capitalism and nationalism are as much to blame as communism and socialism.

the primary reasons for world war I were effectively just that, a bunch of people with too many guns all attempting to turn the balance of power in their favor mixed in with a healthy blend of rushing for colonies and attempting to extract resources for production.

i mean of course capitalism isn't a form of government but neither is communism. they're supposed to be economic policy, but they're often used to explain/identify a government.

but i mean if you think about it nearly all wars waged throughout human history were waged effectively for the >>>possible<<< benefit of a nation, people, or certain individuals. many of these wars did not turned out as ideally for either party and instead just broke both sides.

so can i say that war doesn't work because it's killed more people than communism?

no i can't.

I don't feel like arguing right now, I'd type a huge spew like normal but yeah.




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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:49 AM
There is only one solution to the Communist problem, and Pinochet has the answer!

We must build the helicopters!
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 10:54 AM
bump for freedom
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Pyroux is not online. Pyroux
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05 Nov 2016 10:57 AM
Please find the death toll statistics on capitalism and nationalism, my English teacher told us to search different view points. What you are doing is just using one point, this is biased and false unless you have statistics and information about the capitalism and nationalism death tool.

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konlon15 is not online. konlon15
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05 Nov 2016 10:59 AM
Plus, Colonialism has far higher death tolls.
Belgium -> Congo: >80,000,000
UK & Company -> America: > 100,000,000

This is already more than 148,973,610, and there are WAY more colonials
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05 Nov 2016 11:03 AM
"this is biased and false" Biased? Sure, whatever floats your boat. False? Can't ignore history when it doesn't suit you. Can't calculate the ##### #### of an economic ideology, though. If you tried to do that, you'd be calculating people dying every day because of businesses pushing expensive health care and medicine, workplace accidents, illegal mafia and #### ########### businesses, government killings, and stuff that just doesn't really equate to being capitalism but more human greed or political ideologies.
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05 Nov 2016 11:04 AM
"Plus, Colonialism has far higher death tolls."

That's why it ended
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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 11:05 AM
"Plus, Colonialism has far higher death tolls."

Colonialism =/= Capitalism

One is a practice of expansion of territory that can be performed by any form of government with any form of economy if they can actually afford to pull it off.

Another is an economic idea.
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05 Nov 2016 11:08 AM
"people dying every day because of businesses pushing expensive health care and medicine, workplace accidents, illegal mafia and #### ########### businesses, government killings" ## ## does Communism deaths, so whats your point?
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05 Nov 2016 11:09 AM
Commie threads eliminated, time to put this thread in the reserves lads
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05 Nov 2016 11:10 AM
Well only around 1 in every 1000 people got killed in the communist uprisings, they should have done a better job and got rid of all the trash so we can live in a utopian society. I wish that could happen but it isn't humane or possible. FeelsBadMan
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Pyroux is not online. Pyroux
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05 Nov 2016 11:12 AM
Quit avoiding my request, do you research on capitalism and nationalism death tolls
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05 Nov 2016 11:18 AM
You can't compare nationalism and capitalism death tolls to communist regime death tolls since in a capitalist system people die due to not being able to provide for themselves whereas people die in communist regimes from being worked to death in gulags for various arbitrary "crimes" (see stalins extremely frivolous judgements on who lives and dies)

Nationalism isn't even the same sort of animal, nationalism isn't a type of government

Compare it with democratic regimes if anything

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S0VERElGN is online. S0VERElGN
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05 Nov 2016 11:18 AM
"Quit avoiding my request, do you research on capitalism and nationalism death tolls"

You can't put together a death toll on capitalism because it's an economic idea, it's not directly perpetuating and advocating for the death of people nor are the vast majority of people for the free market killing people outright in crazy numbers. What you're trying to argue is that the the shackles of being forced to work for your keep is what kills people, and that in a communist society we would all make progress and that everyone would be helped when in fact that is never what has happened and millions have died as a result of countries embracing communism and realizing it doesn't work, and thus nationalism, human rage, lack of basic human needs, and political fervor result in the death of people. Capitalism is, again, an economic idea that revolves around the free market and not around any political beliefs aside from the desire of the government to back off from the affairs of capitalism, of which I'm not even advocating for.

See above post for further clarification.
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