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Re: wow c&g must have started their first gov class this year

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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:03 PM
just based on all of these political posts
congrats kiddos, you're growing up, too bad you still can't vote
thank god for that
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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24 Oct 2016 09:04 PM
You're acting like you have any grip on politics either

Just because you view yourself as fit to criticize the viewpoints of others doesn't mean you actually are, and it doesn't validate your views any more than the views of anyone else.

People like you piss me off. Drop the arrogance man.


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Father_Satan is not online. Father_Satan
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24 Oct 2016 09:05 PM
op is not wrong



i did start my first gov class this year


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Vidkun is online. Vidkun
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24 Oct 2016 09:07 PM
its hyped up kids bandwagoning their parents' beliefs
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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:09 PM
"You're acting like you have any grip on politics either

Just because you view yourself as fit to criticize the viewpoints of others doesn't mean you actually are, and it doesn't validate your views any more than the views of anyone else.

People like you piss me off. Drop the arrogance man. "

have i stated a political stance? no.
have i made any political argument? no.
have i ever claimed to know the answers? no.
are a vast majority of you underage, undereducated, and pretending you're neither? yes.

now why don't you go grab your maxi pads and settle down jimbo
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Yan117 is not online. Yan117
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24 Oct 2016 09:09 PM
it's certainly a hot topic this year, too bad both of the primary candidates are clowns and bernie sanders was our only hope.
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Z007 is not online. Z007
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24 Oct 2016 09:10 PM
for the record, king, he's not wrong - he just stated it bluntly

people on c&g, for the most part, don't know a whole lot about politics (or at least the side that they don't support)

i think that's mainly a problem of them having terrible sources


it's the same with religions - a lot of people on c&g can't tell you much of the dogma or doctrine in christianity, islam, buddhism (for the record i don't know much about buddhism either), etc.
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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:10 PM
"its hyped up kids bandwagoning their parents' beliefs"
couldn't have said it better myself
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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:13 PM
the only statement i'll make regarding the current presidential election is that bipartisanship is one of the most idiotic platforms for a government, and that it breeds corruption and bias

feel free to use that to infer about my presidential opinions, because i refuse to act like i've done extensive research on either candidate based on that fact
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Z007 is not online. Z007
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24 Oct 2016 09:14 PM
yeah bipartisanship is one of the most ridiculous things ever
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Vidkun is online. Vidkun
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24 Oct 2016 09:20 PM
Its indicative that our country is in a way totalitarian when those who are neither R or D are forced to become one of the two.

Another clear sign we are NOT a democracy is that our government chooses who we vote for.
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Vakhrushev is not online. Vakhrushev
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24 Oct 2016 09:21 PM
@Vidkun

You do know that you don't have to vote for someone on the ballot, right?


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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:21 PM
and if you dare try to say that i'm not well versed in the likes of government platforms, i spent a semester focused on alternatives to a bipartisan system, comparing political statistics from other countries with multiparty platforms and exposing bipartite america, and based off the numerous essays filled with citations from overseas ambassadors and multiple censuses, i feel confident that i have earned the right to speak on behalf of bipartisanship amongst the fine people that adorn this subforum
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VisualSights is not online. VisualSights
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24 Oct 2016 09:21 PM
everyone on this thread is an idiot tbh
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Z007 is not online. Z007
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24 Oct 2016 09:22 PM
well yeah you can write in, but if someone were to calculate the odds of a write-in candidate winning it'd probably be extremely low
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Vakhrushev is not online. Vakhrushev
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24 Oct 2016 09:23 PM
The only reason for write-in candidates losing most of the time is due to the fact that most Americans don't even know that there are more than two parties in the United States, much less that they actually can choose who they vote for.


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Vidkun is online. Vidkun
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24 Oct 2016 09:24 PM
Why should we be forced to choose one of the two worst candidates in history if we want to vote?

If you don't vote you settle with one of two overpayed clowns who don't have anyone's well being in their mind other than their own?
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meankiller7 is not online. meankiller7
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24 Oct 2016 09:25 PM
Back in 2012 no one was old enough to care about the elections.

I barley even knew the candidates I jsut knew it was a black guy vs an old guy.
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Vakhrushev is not online. Vakhrushev
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24 Oct 2016 09:26 PM
That is not what I was saying at all.

I am saying that you can vote for any legal citizen in the United States that meets the qualifications for presidency, regardless of whether they are a running candidate or not.

If you really want to, you can vote for your own grandmother and that vote will count, and if enough people vote for your grandmother, she would become the president of the United States, assuming she accepts the position.


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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:29 PM
"You do know that you don't have to vote for someone on the ballot, right?"

this is clearly the response of somebody who doesn't know about our bipartisan platform

scenario A: he doesn't vote - a republican or democrat will indefinitely be put into office
scenario B: he votes third party - the third party candidate will take votes from the potential republican or democratic candidate, making the other major party candidate the winner (in this case, hillary will be losing votes to the third party candidate, making trump by my prediction the winner of the election)
scenario C: he votes for one of the two major candidates

now if you're sat there saying, "but FDR was elected as a third party candidate with the Moose Party!"
a) this was around the time of a major national crisis, the Great Depression, in which FDR was the only candidate with a feasible answer to the dilemma
b) this was prior to the ever-worsening, rigid bipartisan system that has since taken an indefinite hold over all three branches of government, essentially discouraging third party candidates to an extent that you hardly ever hear about them anymore. you think that's just because they're bad? no. that's corruption. welcome to america.
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ScarXD is not online. ScarXD
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24 Oct 2016 09:32 PM
"Its indicative that our country is in a way totalitarian when those who are neither R or D are forced to become one of the two."

Wrong, political party members (which you can register to vote in their primaries) decide on who they should elect to represent their party for the general election. You have an impact on this, if you aren't registered to a political party then don't complain about not being able to select one of their candidates.

There are more than just two parties, you can also write in names.

Technically we are a republic, this is not totalitarianism.



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Vakhrushev is not online. Vakhrushev
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24 Oct 2016 09:40 PM
@Babylonic

I am aware of the bipartisan platform that the US electoral system follows, where state governments are capable of prohibiting parties from even representing themselves in their state. However, I am stating it as a matter of fact that he is not obligated to vote for a Republican or Democrat, and can instead vote third-party. While the chance of that third-party member winning the election AND receiving the electoral college vote is almost null and void, it is still possible that, with enough activism towards spreading awareness about the ability to vote third-party, a third-party candidate can win. It is not likely during this election, however.


You are trying to manipulate the voting patterns of potential voters by telling them that they can only vote Republican or Democrat simply because 'those are the best chances of winning'. In doing so, you are no better than the filth that is the mass media.

(It is unlikely that there are many voters on ROBLOX, but my point still stands valid.)


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Babylonic is not online. Babylonic
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24 Oct 2016 09:52 PM
I don't think you understand.

I'm not trying to "manipulate voting patterns," I'm explaining how bipartisanship actively works. Painting me to be the bad guy because of how the platform is set up is just dumb on your part. You can't just sit there and act like third party votes are at all beneficial to that voter.

There's a whole heap of people who think one candidate verses the other isn't quite as bad. So instead of voting for a third party candidate, which will help Trump if they thought Hillary was slightly less evil or vice versa, they vote for which they feel is lesser in order to ensure that the "worst" candidate in their opinion isn't elected.

The role of third party candidates in a bipartisan nation is simply to offset poll results and swing them in favor of one candidate or the other. For example, if you have both Trump and Hillary, which nobody likes, but you have third party candidates, like Gary Johnson for example, who's platform more closely resembles Hillary's than Trump's, you're essentially taking away a vote from Hillary, giving Trump an edge in the election.

It's not a matter of people "not realizing they don't have to vote for the main 2," it has to do with the vote not only being wasted, but benefiting the candidate that voter feels is more evil.
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