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| 20 Oct 2016 03:57 PM |
What is your reason for not taking vaccines?
Vaccines have been proven to save lives, due to vaccines we have eradicated diseases like smallpox that previously would of killed millions during an outbreak. |
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Noochy
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:01 PM |
Ah' don't want mah son to catch no autisms
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:04 PM |
| Ah' dad told me they give me autisms |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:04 PM |
| dunno I never really #### vaccines just |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:06 PM |
They believe the mercury and aluminum in the vaccines cause autism. While it is true that both mercury and aluminum are neurotoxins, mercury has since been mostly removed from vaccines. Even when it was commonplace to use mercury as a sterilization method for vaccines, they used a nontoxic mercuric compound, and the aluminum is in far too little of a dose to cause any acute or chronic damage to the brain. Anti-vaxxers see that aluminum and mercury in SOME forms are neurotoxic, they look at the ingredients of some vaccines, see that they also contain mercury and aluminum (albeit in a different form), and think it must also be neurotoxic.
Edward Jenner is probably rolling in his grave at the stupidity of people these days. His smallpox vaccine, which was derived from cowpox, was the pinnacle of medicine in his day, and the medical field is still feeling the effects of his work. He's saved more lives than most people ever have, and people saying vaccines are unsafe are just disgracing decades of hard work.
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:08 PM |
| Donald trump took vaccines. |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:12 PM |
"Vaccines have been proven to save lives, due to vaccines we have eradicated diseases like smallpox that previously would of killed millions during an outbreak."
Someone who says this is someone I will not argue with. EVERYONE who says this automatically points to faked statistics made by the government because they want money.
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:17 PM |
I've never heard of someone "contracting" autism through vaccines.
I myself was born with autism and I've probably had all the vaccines required.
I haven't contracted double autism from it, |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:22 PM |
"I've never heard of someone "contracting" autism through vaccines."
That's because it doesn't happen, has never happened, and cannot happen. Any claims that vaccines cause autism and neurodegenerative disorders are completely baseless.
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:23 PM |
I have AAsregrepsa which is a higher form of autism. I got my autism from all the illegal crap my bio mom put into herself when I was in her tummy, not vaccines. If your child is diagnosed with any illness mental look to the family tree and what you put into yourself when the child was in you
Also, it just proves that you don't love your child as much as you say you do when you won't even accept him/her/etc if they contract some serious illness
This isn't 2007 👑🎧 |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:25 PM |
A Vaccine simply is a small version of the vaccine its trying to kill: You feel pale because you have the flu with flu vaccines
You get them often because if you often get the flu, your body will get stronger against it |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:26 PM |
| "That's because it doesn't happen, has never happened, and cannot happen. Any claims that vaccines cause autism and ################# disorders are completely ########## I read on reddit that this all started to some phoney article some scientist put out in like 1993 or something. They guy was eventually kicked out of his job/gone to jail/what ever, for ####### misinformation. Too bad the stupid people took this and ran with it, without ever looking at any other studies about vaccines. The other studies of vaccines at the time, and after the phoney article was published, all ######### the "contract autism" theory This isn't 2007 👑🎧 |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:28 PM |
****Blantent misinform
******disprove the "contract"
This isn't 2007 👑🎧 |
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Kunzite
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:32 PM |
"Vaccines have been proven to save lives"
citation needed
"we have eradicated diseases like smallpox"
the smallpox vaccine was extremely different to the vaccines people are given today. also last I heard, smallpox still exists in very small numbers.
for the logic you're trying to use here to work, measles, the flu, chicken pox, and many many more would also be eradicated/nonexistent, wouldn't they? yeah, no.
researching the effects of vaccines, as well as my own personal experience, have shown me that vaccines most likely do not work, or at least very little, and are almost definitely a scam for money (the flu jab especially.)
we have immune systems for a reason and like i said, if vaccines were the miracle disease destroyers you'd claim they were, we wouldn't have any viruses or diseases whatsoever. yet we still do.
you're free to make your own choice of course, but this is what I think personally and I have the right to choice.
💀 𝔙𝔦𝔩𝔩𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔬𝔲𝔰 𝔊𝔞𝔯𝔟𝔞𝔤𝔢 𝔈𝔞𝔱𝔢𝔯 💀 |
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Kunzite
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:33 PM |
*right to choose
whoops, I'm tired
💀 𝔙𝔦𝔩𝔩𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔬𝔲𝔰 𝔊𝔞𝔯𝔟𝔞𝔤𝔢 𝔈𝔞𝔱𝔢𝔯 💀 |
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:41 PM |
"A Vaccine simply is a small version of the vaccine its trying to kill: You feel pale because you have the flu with flu vaccines"
That is a good general way of explaining it, yes. However, it's really not all that simple. Vaccines have a wide variety of different methods to deliver immunization, the most common of which is a deactivation of the virion or bacterium. They typically use formaldehyde to completely deactivate the pathogen, so that only its genetic information and structure remains. Your immune system cannot distinguish this deactivated form from a full-on threat, so it mobilizes an immune response. This is why some people have localized swelling around the injection mark, as your body floods water and serum to the injection point. The actual immunization part doesn't come in until your body pulls out the big guns; the dendrites. Your dendritic cells gobble up and break down the invader using various enzymes. They display the information on their outer wall, which is then received by various memory cells throughout your body. This does not make you IMMUNE to the disease, but it does decrease your chances significantly; the strength of vaccines does not reside in the individual immunity, but rather the herd immunity.
The other method uses a different and weaker version of the pathogen. It wouldn't be accurate to call it another strain, but they do use pathogens of the same family. For example, the smallpox vaccine (which happens to be the first vaccine, developed by Edward Jenner) actually used cowpox, which is very similar to smallpox. Cowpox wasn't deadly to humans in the slightest though, and it rarely even caused symptoms in people who were exposed to it. This is what's referred to as a live vaccination, in which the pathogen is left activated. It seems riskier, but it can help induce a much quicker and stronger immune response. The deactivation method is the most common, but some vaccines still use this method today. Nasal spray vaccinations are usually live.
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:54 PM |
"the smallpox vaccine was extremely different to the vaccines people are given today."
Actually, it wasn't all that different. Live vaccines today are very similar to Edward Jenner's creation. We have more additives in our vaccines now, but these are typically to speed up the immunization process and prevent unwanted bacteria from growing inside of the solution while it's being stored. The first smallpox vaccine was simply some pus from blisters on cows affected by cowpox, so it is fair to say that it was quite different, but EXTREMELY different is quite a stretch.
"researching the effects of vaccines, as well as my own personal experience, have shown me that vaccines most likely do not work, or at least very little, and are almost definitely a scam for money (the flu jab especially.)"
Vaccines do not offer 100% immunity, and no medical professional has ever claimed this. Anyone who says they do has no idea what they're talking about, and this is coming from someone who is a major advocate of vaccines. I've already said this, but the strength of vaccines does NOT reside in individual immunity. The most reliable vaccine in the world, being the flu vaccine, only offers a 60% chance of entirely resisting the disease upon a set amount of exposure. In order to vaccines to work properly, the entire population (or at least a majority of it) needs to have immunities. This is also observable in the natural world, and does not just apply to vaccines.
"we have immune systems for a reason and like i said"
Vaccines use the same natural processes as a normal immune response does. Your body treats the vaccine in the exact same way it would treat a typical invasion. Vaccines just induce a safer and more controlled version of an invasion in order to build some immunities.
"if vaccines were the miracle disease destroyers you'd claim they were, we wouldn't have any viruses or diseases whatsoever."
I'm sorry, but this is just terribly wrong. The trouble with eradicating diseases that we have vaccines for is that vaccines are actually quite expensive. Not everybody can afford healthcare. Many nations, the United States included, do not offer free health care, so not everybody is able to be vaccinated. The epidemiology of eradicating diseases is way more complex than you're making it out to be. And besides, it's not like we can create vaccines for every disease using the same core rules and principles. It takes a very long time to engineer a vaccine for a pathogen, and it's even harder to do it for viruses. Viruses mutate at a very rapid rate, and are able to quickly adapt to any herd immunities. This is why it's so hard to completely eradicate diseases (especially viruses), because they change and adapt so fast. The second you've created a vaccine, another strain has already adapted to it and you have to completely re-engineer the entire vaccine.
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Cudbert
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| 20 Oct 2016 04:56 PM |
| it's a well known fact that children can get Asperger's from vaccines |
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:03 PM |
"it's a well known fact that children can get Asperger's from vaccines"
No. Nononononono. Nononononononononono. Oh god no, I thought you were smarter than that.
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:06 PM |
I gotta get a vaccine soon anyways so RIP.
To prevent bacteria growth in multi-dose vials however, a preservative has to be added. Some of these preservatives can contain mercury, but they are well below the established safety limit.
As for the other "ingredients," I have no clue. |
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Zeedax
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:08 PM |
| DapperNarwhal, the hero of science and OT. |
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MrPhelps
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:10 PM |
| ####################################################################### |
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MrPhelps
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:12 PM |
Well gg to you too, filter. Let's try this again
"SecondDerivative"
As a former math major, I am obligated to dislike you greatly. |
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:13 PM |
"To prevent bacteria growth in multi-dose vials however, a preservative has to be added. Some of these preservatives can contain mercury, but they are well below the established safety limit."
Thiomersal, being the most recent organomercury compound preservative they've used, has shown no signs of any neurodegeneration at all whatsoever. They don't even use thiomersal anyway, and mercury was the main nonexistent red flag that anti-vaxxers were looking at. Even before the use of thiomersal, those mercury-based preservatives weren't neurotoxic either.
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Aveeo
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| 20 Oct 2016 05:16 PM |
Anti vaxxers have existed since the time of Edward Jenner. When the smallpox vaccine was invented, people thought Jenner was crazy for injecting people with the disease to build up immunity to it.
Then in 1998, Andrew Wakefield published his "study" in the Lancet where he allegedly found a link between vaccines and autism after studying 12 children. This immediately freaked parents out in the UK and US alike and vaccine rates plummeted, despite numerous studies coming out disproving Wakefield (and the eventual revocation of his medical license in 2010). It didn't help that in 2006, Jenny McCarthy (an actress, I believe, so not even a scientist) went on national television and proclaimed that vaccines cause autism. This exacerbated the anti vaccine movement and now, thanks to Wakefield and McCarthy, we had one of the worst measles outbreaks in history in 2015.
Respect the science! |
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