Hacted
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Bongoy
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:22 PM |
You can't prove your point right either nerd
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:23 PM |
The burden of proof relies on the claim makers. In this instance, religion. A positive claim must be backed by evidence or there is no reason to believe it.
Atheism requires no proof because it is denying what has never been proven.
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Hacted
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:24 PM |
There's no proof God exists
I'm right. |
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Fraghound
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:24 PM |
| god doesnt exists!!1 and vote doland truMP for president! HUMONGOUS WHAT?! IM A KAWAII ANIME DESU SENPAI HAIL VAKTUS |
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drew6670
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:25 PM |
The Lord loves you dont reject him
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thorhayes
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:27 PM |
Am I not enough proof???
- Jesus Christ |
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Inductive
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:31 PM |
Something exists> everything comes from something else.
Why is there something instead of nothing? There's no reason to believe that nothingness is unstable.
People theorize that the universe was formed by dimensional planes crashing together, where did those dimensional planes come from?
Where did life come from? It's a scientific fact that all life must come from other life, yet it's widely theorized that the original basic cells that all other life is descended from simply spontaneously generated out of a primordial soup, something that has never been proven remotely possible.
It's also been theorized that a self-replicating complicated molecule of some sort existed first, which seems more likely than a cell forming, but there's nothing that fits this description.
At some point, there must've been an origin.
People might counter this with "Who created God?" But God obviously created time, and exists outside of it, so there's literally no one before him. |
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RagedTech
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:34 PM |
| now thats inductive reasoning |
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:35 PM |
time didn't exist 'before' the universe
which means if those dimensional planes existed outside of time, nothing created them either by the same logic that nothing created god
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:38 PM |
you can't prove or disprove that a God(literally any God) exists.
You only have scope in the 3 dimensions we live in and can observe in a 14 billion light year radius of earth. God could physically exist in dimensions we can't perceive, or in a location outside of the observable universe.
Just because we can't perceive him with our senses and the instruments we have available doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
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mecatab
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:40 PM |
He probably doesn't exist, but if he existed I wouldn't worship him, the concept of worship is so stupid.
meme or no meme? |
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:41 PM |
@king
same logic could be applied to every deity ever dreamt of
the point is that humanity survived before gods, and we've survived after almost all religions have died
there is no evidence that any one god exists, thus no reason to believe it does
and quite frankly we don't need a god
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Inductive
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:47 PM |
The fact that something exists instead of nothing is ample proof that there was some sort of origin. Something cannot come from nothing, and there's no reason to believe that it could. Even the laws of physics themselves must have had an origin, as they often decompose in extreme environments.
Nothing > Nothing > Nothing > Nothing
Yet, we have something.
It makes sense to believe in
Something > Something > Something > Something
as opposed to
Nothing > Nothing > Something
It's also worth noting that studies show that the only people truly capable of disbelief in God are the severely autistic.
For example, you would probably have difficulty or at least some discomfort if you prayed to God to drown someone you love.
Moreover, people who believe in God tend to be happier than those who don't, so from a pure atheistic perspective, there's literally no reason not to believe in him. Not to mention the simple fact that life is totally meaningless if he doesn't exist. |
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:49 PM |
| Type Vaktus into the search bar. |
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:50 PM |
in a 'place' of absolute nothing you lack space-time, and thus the laws of physics that bind them
therefore without laws of physics you may have a consequence without a cause, representing itself as 'the big bang', an explosion of everything caused by absolutely nothing
of course the same logic could then be applied to a god being created by nothing, who then utilises the lack of laws of physics to make a universe itself
however, we still have no reason to assume the latter happened as opposed to the spontaneous existence of the universe
we have to remember that time only existed when the universe was born, so chronologically speaking there was no 'before' the universe
it was like the universe was in a perpetual state of coming into being, and for whatever reason, or maybe no reason, just finally did
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Alocked
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:52 PM |
and as for your statement on meaningless life, yes that is true
if we weren't created, we have no designated purpose, and without purpose we lack meaning
i accepted this a long time ago
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Inductive
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:57 PM |
If there is a lack of laws of physics there's no reason to believe that anything would ever spontaneously arise under any circumstances ever.
You would more likely simply have no consequence, and no cause, for literally an eternity, though time probably wouldn't exist, at least as we understand it.
If what you say is true, though, then it follows that if you travel far enough away from the universe in any one given direction for long enough you'll eventually come across a reality with no laws of physics, or perhaps a spontaneously generated universe with a different set of laws of physics.
However, if that were the case, it would certainly be possible that laws of physics of certain universe would enable the piercing of the fourth direction that dimensions are theoretically layered in, and one of them would probably have infinite energy, which means that we all would've been vaporized eons ago.
As for the lacking meaning, that's simply not true. You see, people usually pursue things like "happiness" or "love". The dark reality is that even with a creator, neither of these things exist outside of chemicals inside of our head, which means that in order to "win" your goals, you may as well just use chemicals to attain as much happiness as possible, even if it cuts your life short.
The fact that you haven't yet done so means that you, on a fundamental level, don't truly believe with certainty that your life is meaningless. |
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| 17 Oct 2016 05:58 PM |
| "Why is there something instead of nothing?" because 10 billion antimatter particles and 10 billion and 1 matter particles XDDDDDDDDDD |
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| 17 Oct 2016 06:02 PM |
either way, food for thought:
would you rather believe in God and spend eternity in bliss if he does exist, or risk not believing and being condemned to eternal torture?
let's put eternity into perspective:
if you think Mondays are long, multiply that by 7 for every day of the week if you think you have existed a long time (let's presume 15 years) your parents have been around far longer
your parents will say they've been around a while, now let's move up to 70-80 year olds
80 years feels like a long time, right?
America became independent about 220 years ago.
then we get into those europe cities that have been around for a thousand years or more and then, we just think
now imagine if time never ended, if the sun never set
long time isn't it?
i'd hate to have to spend it in hell
Well, I'm not gonna lie about that. |
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mecatab
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| 17 Oct 2016 06:03 PM |
A meaningless universe doesn't mean we live our lives without purpose.
meme or no meme? |
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