Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:15 PM |
Compared to the darker period of when people said clans were "dead," there are many more clans. Many clans that previously just stayed shutdown are now revived, one way or another, and many new clans have been thriving.
There are some exceptions, but generally speaking there has been an increase in the number of active clans - not just in the eye of C&G, but outside of it as well. We can look beyond C&G and still find clans who are active enough to defend their base and host small-time wars while having an enjoyable experience for their members.
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Before we noticed - this is still an issue, but less so than before - that due to the very small number of worthwhile and active clans, members were essentially shared. We see this less often now; many clans have a much larger dedicated memberbase that generally is not shared with other clans. If they are shared, most people still only have one or two priorities as opposed to before when the average person could have 5-6 priorities.
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In terms of clan activity, we see an increase. Back then, we would see rallies of 30-50 people as relatively impressive. For some clans, that number is commonplace for anything that isn't the average event. We see clans capable of rallying 100's, if not more, for certain events. Previously, this was unheard of and required the cooperation of many clans at once to accomplish.
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In terms of behavior, it is much better. We see less support for "toxic" and ########### clans such ## VOID, and in general clans of this category have been dead or dying for some time. Back when clans were "dead" as many claimed, these clans ruled supreme.
Something that really contributed to the downward spiral of clans was the immense support for powerclans. At this period, it was the norm to have a powerclan. If you didn't have one and had a superclan instead, you were a joke. Quality was far superior to quantity in every way, and no one regarded activity nor membercount as impressive if those members were low-skilled.
Now, we see that change. Many clans have been making efforts to obtain more members and appeal to wider audiences, instead of limiting their memberbase to a small circle of people. People respect membercount much more than they did before, and the amount you rally is important regardless of the skill level in many people's eyes.
A lot more clans than before have made advertising efforts, recruitment efforts, and VIP-recruiting methods. Previously, this was restricted to RAT and at one point doing mass-recruiting of any form was taboo. Your clan was shunned for PM botting, for mass-advertising, or for VIP-recruiting.
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As for shifting focus, we can notice a few things:
-- Developmentally, we see some clans recently moving towards a trend of third-person shift-lock gunfighting. While this isn't the FPS most members of Roblox would be comfortable with, it is definitely more adaptable than the standard free-camera third-person. We also see clans caring more for FPS systems, although admittedly not much effort is being put into this department. You can take IRON and WIJ as examples.
-- A recruitment center is no longer an archaic and overlooked concept. We see clans now having their own recruitment centers, trying to make them popular, and trying to use them to obtain members. We see successful examples of this in ISA, VAK, and TRA.
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While wars could definitely use some more work in terms of frequency and their enjoy-ability or lack of toxicity, we definitely see more wars than before, and definitely more successful or fun wars. Not too long ago, a successful war was unheard of. Wars were alone about winning, proving who is better, or proving a point. While many wars today are still about this, many people now put much more emphasis into just having fun - after all, that's what the game is about.
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How can we catalyze this growth?
Well, it's pretty simple: - Don't shun the growing trend set by clans like IRON or WIJ in that combat style. It may lead to great things. - Don't shun superclans, and don't always acknowledge quality as superior to quantity. - Strive not just to win, but to have fun. - Strive not just to be the best, but also to have the most members. - Strive for your clans to get more and more people to events. - Reach out. Get people into your clan and go beyond C&G for your field of vision. - Let's try to have fun, enjoyable wars that are more about having fun than winning. - Refrain from supporting toxic, C&G-based clans that function solely from hype. - Welcome new clans and see what they can offer before being critical or off-putting.
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Apexian
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:19 PM |
| You talk so much about what the good stuff is but you never show them when it comes down to your clans reputation, infact you do the complete opposite. |
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WannaBet
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:20 PM |
ill read this in a bit but here's my brief opinion:
statistically speaking, the clan world has not improved at all. in fact, despite my predictions from last year, I feel it's safe to say that it has gotten worse.
what I based my prediction on, however, (the idea that clans will develop pro-growth priorities) is still something I anticipate to take place in the future. im just not as certain with regards to when that future will come. we had better chances before summer started than we do now. |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:21 PM |
Your leader being incompetent in terms of handling a war is not my issue. We approached the matter with the intention of having fun.
A-SOV is currently working on a means of recruiting thousands of members and appealing to a much wider audience.
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alexthai
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:21 PM |
how long do you think sev took to make this
paroooooooooooots |
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:22 PM |
| 2016 has been better than 2015 |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:23 PM |
Essentially my point, External
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:24 PM |
It was never a secret that clans beyond C&G were thriving, nor is their growth something the C&G clans are capable of capitalizing upon. The hope of clans lies in these new clans, particularly those that avoid C&G and our politics like the plague.
Your advice for "catalyzing this growth" will not work, simply because the clans that have been the most successful are those that have isolated themselves from the C&G community.
On an unrelated note, it's certainly amusing to watch you give this advice about how we can "catalyze this growth" when you don't even practice it yourself. |
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stix7
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:25 PM |
| You dont even follow these steps tho |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:26 PM |
I didn't know cheating and killing clans just by leading them was contributing to the clan world, FalseWarrior, so I don't see how you're one to talk here.
And no, you clearly have no idea what the post is saying since this is MOSTLY about clans on C&G improving.
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:26 PM |
2015 was awful it was a struggle to make a "top 10" list because there were barely 10 active clans
Now it's pretty easy to make top 20 lists |
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:27 PM |
| Huh. So you don't contest that you're a hypocrite? |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:28 PM |
- Don't shun the growing trend set by clans like IRON or WIJ in that combat style. It may lead to great things. I support this trend.
- Don't shun superclans, and don't always acknowledge quality as superior to quantity. All my allies are essentially superclans.
- Strive not just to win, but to have fun. I've approached wars with the intention of having fun. People have other ideas.
- Strive not just to be the best, but also to have the most members. A-SOV is trying to get more members relatively soon.
- Strive for your clans to get more and more people to events. self-explanatory
- Reach out. Get people into your clan and go beyond C&G for your field of vision. A-SOV does this
- Let's try to have fun, enjoyable wars that are more about having fun than winning. Explained above
- Refrain from supporting toxic, C&G-based clans that function solely from hype. I harshly criticize RAA and VOID
- Welcome new clans and see what they can offer before being critical or off-putting. I once made a Foundation to support new clans and I am supportive of starting-up clans.
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:28 PM |
Awkward moment when falsewarrior single handedly killed UAF
A E S T H E T I C S |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:29 PM |
I'm not even going to argue with you, False. Every experience in doing so just results in you using logical fallacies and twisting other people's words to create an argument that doesn't exist.
Legitimately, arguing with you is as much of a waste of time as your tenure leading UAF was for the group, since it's still dead due to your hand.
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Exvious
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:29 PM |
Sev you can't share knowledge about the clan world if you have none.
You're trash Get out |
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Lametta
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:29 PM |
It sickens me to hear people criticize his words when they themselves may just be the cause of a downfall, as ASOV has only introduced more growth within the clan world.
What have these people who criticize done for clans? |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:30 PM |
Agreed I am totally inexperienced
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:30 PM |
| I will respectfully disagree, the clan world is not growing. |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:31 PM |
Yeah Lametta I mean you can argue A-SOV's conduct on wars if you want to, but the fact remains that A-SOV is a clan that came out 2 years ago that defied the odds stacked against us and provided the clan world with a new, active, and potent force in the clan world.
I don't see how that's a bad thing.
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:31 PM |
- Don't shun the growing trend set by clans like IRON or WIJ in that combat style. It may lead to great things. SEE: Your war with Frost Clan, particularly your insults regarding their novel weaponry.
- Don't shun superclans, and don't always acknowledge quality as superior to quantity. SEE: Your relationship with FEAR.
- Strive not just to win, but to have fun. SEE: Your antics and cheating during the UAF/FEAR War. Also the FC war.
- Strive not just to be the best, but also to have the most members. SEE: You haven't done this yet.
- Strive for your clans to get more and more people to events. SEE: Defending Legal from FC########each out. Get people into your clan and go beyond C&###or your field of vision. Okay, you might do this.
- Let's try to have fun, enjoyable wars that are more about having fun than winning. SEE: Everything you did against FEAR, UAF, and FC.
- Refrain from supporting toxic, C&G-based clans that function solely from hype. SEE: Your continued alliance with RAT, despite countless instances of cheating on their end.
- Welcome new clans and see what they can offer before being critical or off-putting. I'm not sure you have, but I suppose I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. |
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stix7
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:32 PM |
| - Don't shun ########### and don't always acknowledge quality ## superior to quantity. All my allies are essentially ########### --- Another Lie - Strive not just to win, but to have fun. I've approached wars with the intention of having fun. People have other ideas. -------- Don't lie - Let's try to have fun, enjoyable wars that are more about having fun than winning. ----- Don't lie once again - Refrain from supporting toxic, ######### clans that function solely from hype. # harshly criticize RAA and VOID ----- Don't lie |
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Seviro
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:32 PM |
How so, Demon?
Dystra makes a point similar to mine. Not too long ago we could struggle to make a top 10 list of clans, but now it's not too hard to make a top 20-30 list.
There are many more clans, these clans are all relatively active, and we see the average activity in clans raising.
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Flect
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| 08 Oct 2016 07:33 PM |
Credit to Pragmatist!
Jk
~ UCR President |
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