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CheeseyMacral is not online. CheeseyMacral
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18 Sep 2016 12:45 AM
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18 Sep 2016 12:47 AM
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ebenton95 is not online. ebenton95
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18 Sep 2016 01:15 AM
your action of pulling the lever lead to the trolley being replaced part-by-part before killing the man at the end, so you did end up killing him, but since the trolley has been entirely replaced its technically not by the same trolley that you diverted.


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18 Sep 2016 01:24 AM
at what point does the new trolley overcome the old trolley? when you've replaced the majority of the parts of the old trolley? when you've replaced every single part? where's the rulebook

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18 Sep 2016 01:38 AM
A few ways to look at it,

1. It's a new train as soon as just one part is replaced. It is not the exact same train you diverted because a part is not the same. Kind of an extreme way to think of it but a way you could see it.
2. It's a new train once the majority of parts are replaced. Prior to this, it's the original with some new parts, and after its a new train with some of the original parts.
3. It's a new train once all parts are replaced. The train you diverted is still there, even if it's one part that's left.

I'd say #2's the more reasonable choice. 1 and 3 seem like extreme ways of looking at it but valid points nonetheless.
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CheeseyMacral is not online. CheeseyMacral
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18 Sep 2016 01:44 AM
i would probably say #1 is the most accurate

once you replace any part of anything, it's a new thing independent of the old thing

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18 Sep 2016 01:56 AM
I think 3's got some validity to it

If you replaced the entire train instantly with a new one, you wouldn't consider it the original, but since it's a gradual process, the lines get blurred. So since replacing the entire train instantly makes it a new train, does that mean it takes replacing all of the parts one-by-one to make it a new train?

The thing with this idea, though, is that it doesn't definitively disprove idea's 1 or 2. It really only adds to the claim that it's a new train by the time that it kills the man.
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jimbobucky is not online. jimbobucky
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18 Sep 2016 01:57 AM
It depends what part are replaced (IMO)

every example of the Theseus paradox is going to require context imo, it isn't as simple as "one part replaced" or "all parts replaced"
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ebenton95 is not online. ebenton95
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18 Sep 2016 02:13 AM
I dunno, I mean if you have a phone and the screen breaks or the battery stops working and you got replacements on them, you wouldn't really consider that a new phone just new parts. However, in this scenario, every part gets replaced.

It's late and I'm overthinking this. I'm just gonna say that it depends on the situation. In this one, with the entire trolley being replaced, even though it's gradually, I personally see it as a new trolley.
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18 Sep 2016 02:46 AM
the guy is going to die of dehydration if the trolley ain't going fast enough

1000 miles far af
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18 Sep 2016 07:01 AM
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