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Re: What did VAK do?

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The_Conductor is not online. The_Conductor
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17 Sep 2016 10:44 PM
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The_Conductor is not online. The_Conductor
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17 Sep 2016 10:50 PM
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Resade_Gang is not online. Resade_Gang
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17 Sep 2016 10:50 PM
We warred TRA


"Confidence is silent. Insecurities are loud."
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LordExteran is not online. LordExteran
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17 Sep 2016 10:51 PM
No idea.

Honestly people probably just hate on us because they were never apart of VAC/VAK and dont care enough to join and learn.
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igoing2win is not online. igoing2win
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17 Sep 2016 10:59 PM
VAK and TRA terms were done, and the HiCOM (at least to the community) thought they were pretty VAK sided. The terms included a 12-12 raid time, an 8v15 server ratio, and a rule that stated that if a group were not to defend for 40 minutes, it is counted as a win for the raiders.

A problems were run into as you can see. I'll list a couple grievances:

1. VAK is refusing to defend systematically.

This is huge, because it lets the play an offensive front. The problem arises with a combination of those terms listed above. It allowed VAK to raid effectively all day, even during TRA's not so prime hours of operation, and it's going to be very evident Monday and beyond that this is an issue.

But that's not the main hoopla with them not defending. It's that they are abusing the war terms to decline defending even though TRA has defended nearly every single server with good timing. VAK have been ordered to not defend their SMO servers for 40 minutes because that's what the terms permit. They ignored a raid at SMO for 40 minutes because thats just how the terms work. Yet we still let them raid with all official servers because we are not trying to take advantage of loopholes.

And to add insult to injury, when we took advantage of their flawed deployment system and gained 2.5 wins off of it, they waited until after their invasion failed to complain to our negotiators that there was a miscommunication in the terms, siting that the 8v15 rules actually meant to say that the servers were supposed to be locked at 8 v 15 with no more of each team. That combined with the server times, etc essentially lets VAK raid a server with a full team for hours.

2. The TRA HiCOM hasn't really been listening to what the members want.

Many regular TRA members have already given up with the war because of how these terms have effected our ability to perform in a situation. VAK made some disagreeable updates to their base a day before the war started, and forced TRA to accept a 9v15 at SMO, rather than the agreed upon 8v15, which VAK decided was ok because they tested the ratio with their own members. We literally have a special raiding squad for SMO because our regulars can't handle it. But yet, VAK made it even harder by having a pushed up spawn and another gate leading to the terminal. These were only all fixed after negotiations happened after VAK failed at Tonigrad. The normal member's morale is now very low since we haven't been getting anything we wanted out of VAK, and people are already tired of the war and the frustration that followed.

tl;dr VAK is just asking for too much when we are just TRA, not FoA and VOID.

inb4censored 90% of this post
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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17 Sep 2016 11:01 PM
yeah igoing that's why you don't let your generals get blackmailed and be forced to do what vak tells you to LOL
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ForgedVoid is not online. ForgedVoid
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17 Sep 2016 11:02 PM
I've been in VAK and I can conclude they're bragging about being in the lead by so much when they haven't necessarily been cheating but playing really cheaply in a sense.
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igoing2win is not online. igoing2win
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17 Sep 2016 11:02 PM
The problem is that I complain about the problems TRA has so much they just ignore me now or make weak a strawman whenever I bring up a good point, it's going to really effect me getting into the HICOM again so I can actually change something if I bring to light whats kept in the dark.
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War_Resurrection is not online. War_Resurrection
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17 Sep 2016 11:05 PM
Make TRA Great again




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GamessEater is not online. GamessEater
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17 Sep 2016 11:06 PM
tra> foa so thats invalid
but yknow warring vak is always the same so
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igoing2win is not online. igoing2win
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17 Sep 2016 11:09 PM
@LordEx

I don't find it hard to understand VAK at all, you guys want to win at any cost

What you guys don't understand is that you're trying to win at any cost with a clan who only tries to have fun, remember that these people gave you a chance to war them because they chose not to believe the junk coming from C&G about you, but you have decided to throw it out the window because you're just so brainwashed to win

The TRA community is already so done with this war because we keep taking each negotiation without remorse because we keep trying to think you're decent people on the inside.
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PhantomSights is not online. PhantomSights
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17 Sep 2016 11:42 PM
dang, praise
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Anxiobear is not online. Anxiobear
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17 Sep 2016 11:46 PM
i mean you managed to get paul and his goons to raid smo while not giving anything to your actual elite division


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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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17 Sep 2016 11:47 PM
"we keep taking each negotiation without remorse because we keep trying to think you're decent people on the inside"

this guy doesn't know what a sociopath is LOL
the only high ranks in VAK that aren't sociopaths are nitro and vaktus
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
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17 Sep 2016 11:50 PM
All we did was correct a war term which fixed the defender limit. I'm not sure if TRA is upset because they lost their lead in the war. Just raid more than one SMO server. Every 8 v 15 at SMO resulted in TRA winning. Even the servers not responded to we gave TRA the win.

Honestly TRA wouldn't be so far behind if they raided with more than one server and more often.
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igoing2win is not online. igoing2win
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17 Sep 2016 11:52 PM
Oh shut it, Demon.


Stop trying to make this about TRA losing and VAK winning, we said even before the war started that we didn't care whether or not we lost, as long as it was fun.

This war has not been fun for us by any means.
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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17 Sep 2016 11:55 PM
sociopaths
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allII789456123 is not online. allII789456123
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17 Sep 2016 11:55 PM
So does that means VAK will defend every single server tomorrow all day just like TRA did Demontitan?
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
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17 Sep 2016 11:57 PM
How would you propose to make this war more fun?

What I read in your second paragraph about SMO - we pretty much fixed everything TRA asked for which allowed you to win there. Should it be made easier so it's a walk in the park?
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Anxiobear is not online. Anxiobear
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17 Sep 2016 11:58 PM
- says this war is for fun -
- gets paul and a bunch of mercs to fight for you -


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TheMagnanimousGlass is not online. TheMagnanimousGlass
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17 Sep 2016 11:59 PM
they let ##### be sg. thats what
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AdminMe56 is not online. AdminMe56
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18 Sep 2016 12:00 AM
"Many regular TRA members have already given up with the war because of how these terms have effected our ability to perform in a situation"

maybe get paul and his toxic bunch out and we might have a normal war????


just call me admin
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allII789456123 is not online. allII789456123
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18 Sep 2016 12:01 AM
The thing is that you don't defend demon as you usually never do in any of your wars
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
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18 Sep 2016 12:03 AM
I'd gladly have a conversation with you on your main account, all.


For the record we did respond to every SMO server except the last one which extended into the time zones when bases close. VAK awarded TRA the SMO win anyway (1).
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TheMedievalist is not online. TheMedievalist
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18 Sep 2016 12:05 AM
For the record we did respond to every SMO server except the last one which extended into the time zones when bases close. VAK awarded TRA the SMO win anyway (1). [2]
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