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Re: Guestly's take on Sword Fight on the Heights swords!

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22 Jul 2016 04:29 AM
Hello! If you are not familiar with my and my posts already, well, I make long ones! Very, very long posts, normally. However, this one is likely to be much shorter than the rest of my posts where I actually start the thread. Nevertheless, reason being for mentioning this is that if you don't like long posts, or are simply looking for a tl;dr, well, this is not the post! At all! So, I generally enjoy writing these as a more conversational type of writing which normally involves some rambling, however I was shown that the last time I did it, it was quite horrible. So: there will be some rambling, but hopefully it is more concise than normal.

soyeah

As per the usual with my posts, I generally enjoy having them discussion oriented - I present a small amount of objective information, discuss my ideas and show my analysis of the topic, and then pray someone gives their input, or at the least enjoyed viewing my ideas and thus challenging their own. Afterall, that's the idea - to constantly have our own ideas challenged and checked! So, nevertheless, so long as some people think during this, then, I see my duty as fulfilled. In the end though, as I generally put in the introductory sections of these posts, it's not so much so that I'm hoping for the attention from this, but more so just to give back to the beautiful community that is RT in my own little eccentric way.

Now, to the actual swords!

So, first of all I want to do a quick list. Two, infact. Firstly, I want to list off swords by my personal preference, and then by which I believe are the best. I'm a bit confused with a few, however I'll attempt my best to try and write it clearly.

So, favourites:

1. Illumina
2. Windforce
3. Ghostwalker
4. Darkheart
5. Firebrand
6. Venomshank
7. Ice Dagger

My view on the best swords:

1. Illumina
2. Darkheart
3. Ghostwalker = Windforce (this is the one I am confused about and have been debating for over a year)
5. Firebrand
6. Venomshank
7. Ice Dagger

So now, onto the actual bulk of this post and my discussion on this. I'm going to be going over each from the bottom of my "best" list to the top.

7. Ice Dagger

Ice Dagger is a sword, or more so dagger, that is much like "those" types of ultimates in MOBAs, say, for example, Zeratul's Void Prison. A good amount of the time it will just be there, not doing all that much, potentially doing some good and allowing you to score one kill, but nothing flashy. But then in the ultra rare occasions it will turn the tide of the entire game and score your team the victory. That's as best of an analogy I can give for Ice Dagger. Normally, it's nothing impressive. Sure, it may have the ability to freeze and then instantly kill opponents, however that's all. Combine that with the horrid range and the 0 damage of the actual weapon, it makes for an unimpressive weapon. The ability to have the instant kill is not all bad, however. It's perfect for getting the jump on the enemy, despite what may be thought given its time to warm up. If you have it all charged and then go out of the portal and camp it, you can secure a kill. Or vice versa with camping the interior of the portal to wait for people to come in and die. Or, for another example, jumping onto the teleporters by Windforce and Darkheart (the latter by jumping from the Illumina area onto it). This works as you will have the dagger already charged by the time you reach the fall, so you can wreck hell upon the people in the centre ring, all by surprise. Aside from that, however, I don't see much use in it.
Now, for a bit of my personal take on it, rather than some objectivity of it. It's not very versatile. Referencing my analogy and the most recent example, it can have its moment, but a majority of the time it isn't anything special and its job can be mostly entirely accomplished by other swords. It's not even a good counter to any other sword, yet it not only has many indirect counters, but also one entirely direct counter. That, of course, being Firebrand which entirely negates Ice Dagger's damage. You may be able to try and bait some people into unequiping it in a duel and then getting them in that moment, however for the most part, a Firebrand signals a dead you if you only have Ice Dagger. Going against a Windforce or Illumina or Darkheart usually is a death all the same. All of the three mentioned have incredibly high damage, Windforce even with extra long range, and since Ice Dagger's damage is technically 0 (0 until they are frozen, then they die) the other swords will hit first, which can be dangerous when fighting them. I've had countless times when all I've needed to do was instead of even swapping to Firebrand, merely charge the Ice Dagger with Illumina and it kills it all the same. Infact, that is the same "strategy" (if you would call it that) I use today. Just charging it, for the most part. Of course, if you were streaking you likely wouldn't want to do something so dangerously stupid and stick with the safest option of using Firebrand as the latter mentioned approach is not guaranteed. And now a universal problem to Ice Dagger is that even after frozen, if you are too close to the frozen enemy (say, in melee range, where you will be just after freezing them) they can STILL damage and kill you. Point being that Ice Dagger not only is not a counter to any sword, but it also is countered by so many.

Quick stats and analysis:
Damage 0 (or 100 after ice)
It counters: none
Counters (direct): Firebrand
Counters (indirect): Illumina, Darkheart, Windforce

6. Venomshank

To start, Venomshank is a longer sword, how long exactly I don't know (whoopsies I probably should have looked this up) which deals 10 damage normally and 20 when lunging. However, even in addition to this damage it will do five ticks of damage that each do 1/8 of the target's maximum health. So, it doesn't matter as to whether or not your opponent has armour, they will still tick for this same percentage regardless. It's a nice feature as it does give you some power over the people with armour, however to swords such as Darkheart, Illumina, and Windforce, an extra one hundred health is nothing, so it's all relative, I suppose. Not only this, however the full duration of the damage over time is rather slow, so it is more of something to hope to kill your opponent after you die, or after they run, which it very likely can. A lunge damage of 20, after all, can still saw through 200 health easily, so the poison is but an extra boost to assure a knockout. The length works wonderfully for zoning out foes and assuring that they cannot get close. While not particularly effective using "classic" or WASD controls (as I do) when moonwalking it is a highly dangerous tactic with both Venomshank and Firebrand. It's also worth noting that the poison goes past forcefields, so even if your foe flees not only away from the battle, but to the "sanctuary" of the touchstone room, if they don't have a medkit or a Darkheart (and another player) they will likely die so long as you get just under half of their health with your direct damage.
Now, personally, I don't see all that much use for Venomshank. All that it can do is outclassed by most other swords in the game, save of course linked sword. While the poison damage may provide it to do some additional damage over time, Sword Fights on the Heights is an extremely, let me stress that, EXTREMELY fast paced game. The swords in that game are some of the strongest gear items in ROBLOX and one of which I would even consider the strongest of all (but that is a topic for another day, and I digress). A long damage over time has no place. Again like with Ice Dagger, there are SOME moments it has its uses, however in the vast majority of scenarios, is it not useless? Is the Venomshank not struck down by an Illumina before they can even react? Or the poison entirely prevented by the charge of a Darkheart? Or simply by using a medikit? The long reach too can be simply bypassed. As if the high damage of say, an Illumina, isn't enough to simply allow them to charge through it, (and it is) then they can simply dance around the Venomshank user until they see an opportunity to strike, where they WILL kill them. It has such little use in a game with the tools that directly counter it as well as by tools that simply outclass it. Against foes with 100 health, however, I do believe it has far more use. The actual direct damage of the Venomshank against a 100 health target is massive and combine that with the poison and there is little they can do. However, most foes in the game will likely have armour, which will most certainly make them leagues more difficult. It's useful, but it really doesn't counter anything and it is countered, be it directly or indirectly, by so much.

Quick stats and analysis:
Damage 20
It counters: none
Counters (direct): Darkheart
Counters (indirect): Illumina

5. Firebrand

Firebrand! An extremely well known and feared sword and for good reason! While it may only have a mere 5 damage more than Venomshank, that being a 25 damage lunge, that "small" difference is a wonder, as every individual damage point has the possibility to do so much more! Given that the linked sword has only 20 as well as Venomshank, this difference alone gives Firebrand some room to work with against Linked and Venomshank as it will be able to land a first hit against the two. Combined with the reach and surprisingly deadly damage, this sword is capable of destroying the 200 health limit instantly and consistently! As was mentioned earlier, when wielding Firebrand you not only get the powers of the sword's strength, but you own completely immunity to Ice Dagger's "Iced" or blue/instant killing ability. It is the only sure way, aside from not getting hit, (which is normally not something you can assure) to live past an encounter with Ice Dagger. Being able to make such a guarantee is not possible with any other swords, which makes Firebrand not only extremely unique, but also devastating in combat.
As to my personal use and views on it, as can likely be inferred from my tone, I do indeed see Firebrand as a capable weapon, much unlike the first two discussed here. It is mostly due to the ever so slight damage increase that I mentioned. While it may not seem like much, usually you will be hitting your opponent several times in the very instant you lunge, so the damage most certainly will stack up to very large amounts. The immunity to Ice Dagger is a great reason to always have a Firebrand. All that you would need in the face off against an Ice Dagger is to but pull out the Firebrand and there is quite literally no possible way for them to win, unless it is not iced (in which case it will be an extremely uphill battle for them nonetheless). The reach on Firebrand is certainly impressive and does it great good. That combined with the damage makes it a wonderful tool against the classical Linked sword. It will hit first, and it will have a range advantage. The perfect combination. Now, this most certainly does not make it a perfect sword. It is still highly vulnerable to higher damaging swords as they, assuming it is a charge full on from both parties, despite the range will hit first due to their higher damage. All the swords with higher damage work for a wonderful indirect counter to Firebrand, especially Illumina and Windforce. Illumina, as said with Venomshank may dance around Firebrand, or may jump straight infront of it bypassing the range, or simply charge. It has all too many ways to take Firebrand down. As for Windforce, it has a similar range but ELEVEN more damage. It simply annihilates Firebrand in a duel or charge. Darkheart is self explanatory - you charge, you deal damage, and you heal. Firebrand explodes. But it works wonderfully against all the other swords. Even the swords mentioned, due to its reach and its still great damage can take them down if outplayed. It is by no means a bad sword.

Quick stats and analysis:
Damage 25
It counters: Ice Dagger, Linked
Counters (direct): None
Counters (indirect): Illumina, Darkheart, Windforce


3. Ghostwalker


I think anyone would be surprised by myself not mentioning it by now, however it, as it is ingame, is a mystery! No, it isn't actually. Anyway: Ghostwalker is a full on stealth sword. It has the same length as the standard Linked Sword, but it does have some anti grav, allowing users to make both a slow ascent and descent when jumping, instead of the normal jump. Fitting for the "ghostly" sword. It comes with a decent amount of damage, clocking in at 30 to start, as well as making the character slightly transparent. Now, the beauty in it is that for EVERY kill you get, capping at nine, the swords gets slightly more powerful and your character becoming slightly more invisible, going to becoming ENTIRELY invisible at max! Here is a quick set of data for how much per level:

Level Slash Lunge Transparency
1 16.111 32.222 0.289
2 17.222 34.444 0.378
3 18.333 36.667 0.467
4 19.444 38.889 0.556
5 20.556 41.111 0.644
6 21.667 43.333 0.733
7 22.778 45.556 0.822
8 23.889 47.778 0.911
9 25 50 1.00

It's the true stealth sword of sword fight on the heights. It allows you to sneak quietly up to your foes and then destroy them with an attack they are never to forget!

Now, Ghostwalker was my personal second favourite for so long, and the gear I had owned for just about four years, and something I dearly love. It's a wonderful sword with an extremely interesting, unique, and fun gameplay style that has so much unique to the sword and so much that is necessary to learn with it until you can finally begin to start mastering it. One of these I want to touch on is its antigrav. As you may notice, when you lunge, you do fly into the air for a short amount of time. While mostly seen as negative, you may still be able to turn it into a positive feature. Sometimes, infact often, when lunging at a Ghostwalker when you are in the air (after a lunge) they will only hit your feet, which will MASSIVELY reduce the damage taken. Along with this the Ghostwalker user can get a strong and confident lunge into them, destroying your opponent, especially if you are at level nine. However, I don't want to "sugar coat" the antigrav when lunging - I do see it as a negative part of it. You miss out on a ridiculous amount of damage with it. Along with that, the ability to have only your feet hit are entirely negated if an Illumina happens to be in the hands of your enemy as they will be able to super jump up, not only hitting the rest of your body, but dealing EXTREME damage from not only them going up and down, but also from YOU flying upwards or downwards. The moment after a lunge is, to many, a moment of vulnerability. While many players may not take advantage of the Ghostwalker's weakness then, those that do will decimate the user, even if they only have Linked Sword. It is an extreme weakness that requires lengthy trials to master, and even then, it is still a weakness. It, if you can get the jump on people, is something that will win you most battles. However, this secrecy is not without a direct counter: Illumina. Not only is its damage matching of a Ghostwalker in its height of power, but its super jump is quicker, more agile, and powerful. Adding to how it counters Ghostwalker, when a user has any bit of transparency, when they are near an Illumina they are set ablaze by a series of sparkles and light they have never seen before! It destroys the stealth of Ghostwalker and leaves it directly there for a duel, one which it is sure to lose (also this is entirely unrelated but when writing this I was listening to https://youtu.be/IdqRK7D3Qvc?t=32m or if you have ROBLOX+ it is at the 32 minute mark and it set the mood PERFECTLY. I just wanted to share). As I said, its moment of vulnerability is a core part in taking down a Ghostwalker, but this is best seized by Illumina and Windforce, Illumina due to its damage and Windforce from its damage and length.

Quick stats and analysis:
Damage 30 - 50
It counters: (potentially) all except Illumina, or none (as to whether it has level 9 or not)
Counters (direct): Illumina
Counters (indirect): Illumina, Windforce

3. Windforce

A sword that, even if it is not known already, you will of course have seen me discuss it and its power already. It's a sword lengthier than the classical Linked, however it is shorter than both Firebrand and Venomshank. However, it is still the third longest with some length on the rest behind it. However, where its real power comes from is its damage combined with the range. It has a whopping THIRTY SIX damage, the second highest, while still having range on the others. The combo here, or even just the damage alone, makes it work as an indirect counter to most every sword in the game, as I have written out and explained with all the previous examples. It also comes packed with the ability to send your enemies flying, which truly is more of an aesthetic perk, as by the time you would have them go flying they are likely already dead. However, it still has uses pragmatically and tactically, even if few or uncommon to even get it to be used.
Now, as I said earlier, I am debating with myself constantly whether or not I believe Windforce or Ghostwalker is better. For years I have leaned Ghostwalker, but just recently, (and no, it was before I got the Windforce gear myself, so item bias can get ruled out there) I have been thinking Windforce. The damage and range is so beautifully powerful that it destroys about any sword even in a charge. Along with this, in tactical swordplay its reach allows it to open far more strategies to take down each foe. This I more discussed on the pages of all the other swords, so I won't go into specifics about how it deals with each individual sword, so I won't repeat myself. As I mentioned with the blowback and how it is often not used but has some use, it can be used for unintentionally resetting fights. If you don't succeed in killing them, then you'll likely blow them off the edge to where they will have to touchstone and come back, giving you time to heal up and reevaluate your playing, as well as learn and assess your foe and how they fight. It gives a whole new level of tactics, however for most of the time you won't see this being used as, like I said, most encounters with Windforce are very kill or be killed. Adding to this, while I don't see it as a counter to Illumina, I see it as the best swords to use against it. It has great damage, not as high, but still high, and the range gives it an interesting edge in certain scenarios, mostly just when they are coming down from the Illumina ramp. It's an excellent sword that is highly versatile and deadly. One of the two swords I can say I always don't know whether or not I'm going to live past my tango with them.

Quick stats and analysis
Damage 36
It counters: All except Illumina
Counters (direct): none
Counters (indirect): Illumina

2. Darkheart

I hardly need to introduce this sword! Everyone knows it, most people love it. I think it goes without saying that the majority of the community holds this sword as their personal favourite. And it's hard to blame them, it's an absolute beast! It comes packed with a devastating 32 damage as well as being able to heal for 1/4 of all the damage they deal. Along with this, whenever you kill an opponent (which will be often!) they will explode into a ball of dark nothingness - their body parts all turned black and forced to fly towards random directions into the edge of the skybox, completely humiliating them and sending the message that they were not only killed, but destroyed by a Darkheart. The same length as Linked, however its damage and healing gives it more than enough tools to support itself throughout its battles.
Darkheart may not be one of my favourites, but I certainly know well enough of how strong it is. It's a highly versatile sword, basically a sword that plays exactly like the Linked, however it rewards to more, is deadlier, is covered in a sleek black, and allows you to completely humiliate the competition. Its heal is a wonderful sustain against low damaging weapons, such as Linked, Venomshank, level one Ghostwalker or potentially even Firebrand. Since you can heal off of the corpses of your foes, it also works as a perfect counter to Venomshank, healing past all the poison damage as well as all the damage that was taken directly from the tangle with Venomshank. For this reason as well, the ability to heal on corpses as well, it allows you to continue from one fight to the next with no scratch from the last fight. Every fight is as though it is your first when using Darkheart, save that you have all the experience and knowledge from the past. Since it plays like Linked, any of the many sword fighting strategies carry over to Darkheart and it takes very little to relearn how to use it. It's also not only highly rewarding, but also unbelievably forgiving to mistakes and beginners, something I see as why it is so popular. However, I see its counters as those swords that do more damage, simply. They can outpower the healing and thus break the "shield of darkness" around Darkheart, thus why I see it as a counter to it. There's very little to say, as the description of the gear says - it destroys people and takes their health for you. It's horrible. But... the beautiful type of horrible.

Quick stats and analysis
Damage 32
It counters: Ice Dagger, Venomshank, and Firebrand
Counters (direct): Illumina, Windforce
Counters (indirect): none

1. Illumina (one big mess of a paragraph as I'm just going on a rant lads)

The one, the end, the light in the darkness, it's finally here! Illumina! It is, as I see it, the most powerful, and by no small margin! By far! At least in my eyes, of course. However, while not normally the favourite of the community, from what I see, the community does generally agree that it is the best, even if not their favourites. However, this may have changed since I last saw.

Anyway:

It comes through with the highest damage, a ridiculous 40 that is capable of tearing through any ROBLOXian as though they are a piece of foam. Then, of course, the super jump. I always say "You take away my super jump, you give me 100 damage" as that is just how valuable it is. It allows you to fly towards the heavens, but not like Ghostwalker, slowly, but at lightning speeds! As I was talking about with gear and Illumina, it is able, due to its speed, to simply jump over the explosions of the "Scroll of Sevenless" and the "Darksteel Katana" and come down before they can attack again, this time in the air. The speed allows you to get a jump on any opponent in a sword fight and desisively and elegantly disptach of them without taking a speck of dirt to your stature. It blows the competition away. The super jump allows this, priceless alone, but it too may allow you to simply jump right when you lunge in a charge, which, just as with the Ghostwalker, will reduce damage as only your legs will get hit, but also do great damage of your own through passing ALL limbs a majority of the time. And, to put the damage into perspective, I went into studio and just placed a few free model 1000 health zombies and then gave myself an Illumina, and watched on as they were killed INSTANTLY when I lunged. If you can lunge correctly, even quad digit health is nothing to this sword. Combine that with everything else this sword does; its agility, its speed, its versatility, its defence, its beauty, and it is unstoppable! The ridiculous damage on it allows it to strike first against EVERYTHING, so even in a charge, even disregarding all Illumina has save its damage, is STILL destroys EVERYTHING. Not only does it have all of this, but it assures that no darkness reaches to it as whenever a transparent ROBLOXian is nearby they burst aflame with sparkles, leaving them to duel an Illumina. And Illumina NEVER loses a duel. It is perfectly crafted to tear down any opponent in a duel, and more than that, but anywhere. It makes sure that anyone, anywhere, will always be able to be struck down. It's perfect!

Also, I feel like I have to say this, but I'm not trying to be bias merely because I have it. There's a reason I wanted it in the first place - I loved it so much that I wanted it for myself. It's not because I have it that I'm holding it so highly, but more the opposite - because I hold it so highly, I have it.

I felt that was necessary to say as some posts would probably mention it

Quick stats and analysis, as always
Damage 40
It counters: All
Counters (direct): none
Counters (indirect): none

So, there it is! My quick take on all the swords in SFotH! I'm looking forward to hearing other ideas, if there are any, and I'll certainly be willing to at least defend my #1 spot if anything. Also, just a quick note, I'm going to be going quickly after I post this, so if anyone responds to this soon after I post, then sorry, but you'll have to wait some time until I get back with my reply.

Regardless, fight well all, and remember, there is a sword for each person. While I may say one is the best, that doesn't mean you need to or should use it - it's all about fun. I just took it a bit too far.

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WF>GW
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What's yore view on the dual Darkheart?
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Still linked>all
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where is 4
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"What's yore view on the dual Darkheart?"

Iffy. I'd say it's definitely great, but no way is it better than most of the SFotH swords here. It only does 30 damage and both of the swords can't attack at the same time, so they can't do any more than that. The tornado is nice, but only good against extremely weak swords (brigand's, katana, mace) or ranged weapons. Against strong weapons it really doesn't do all that much. What I always found myself doing was just charging into it with Illumina or if it had the tornado up, then just superjumping through the top and getting an easy kill. It has the same amount of lifesteal (1/4) however since it does have the lower damage it does have a bit of a lower healing as the normal Darkheart. It's a great gear, but not as good as most of these. If I were to list it here, I'd put it between Ghostwalker and Firebrand.

"where is 4"

Since I had WF = GW I just put them both under 3. Sorry if that was confusing.

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Still linked>all [2]

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Ghostwalker is best.

It makes you become more invisible with each kill.

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"Ghostwalker is best."

I don't think I would say it is the best, but it's definitely good. I put my reasoning in the OP.

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"Still linked>all [2]"

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"NO LINKED
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when did op learn this stuff


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"when did op learn this stuff"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pLDrZQTf8

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Oh guestly I just remembered I was thinking of you while I were at work today excuse me if I sound weird or not clear I need to go to sleep really soon I saw a hallucination of a roach climbing a rope already so heres what I wanted to tell you but couldnt

You are very interesting person you like everyone but love no one
Then I started thinking about sinii because something about you reminded me of that person idk how or what and I had something to ask and I also wanted to ask you what do you think of that person

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idk ill bump why not
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