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Re: let's face it FoA's apex was with VAK's stalling war

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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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09 Aug 2016 04:54 PM
after VAK's tricks to avoid getting destroyed in a FoA-VAK war they got kinda quiet

their highest point was when VAK was negotiating a negotiation bc that was when they got their most publicity

and their warpath that too


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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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09 Aug 2016 04:57 PM
You can't blame VAK for a failed war against FoA, when FoA has had 7 failed wars in the past. It also shows that FoA is just another hype clan, getting hype for a war against VAK, hype clans have proven to die off. I don't see why people still seem to list FoA as a top 5 clan when they haven't had a single successful war.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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09 Aug 2016 04:59 PM
"You can't blame VAK"

Yeah 15v15 is totally fair.
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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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09 Aug 2016 05:00 PM
Let me rephrase that, you can't ONLY blame VAK.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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09 Aug 2016 05:01 PM
I mean the same argument you just made can be made about VAK. The difference is that some of FoA's were done in what, couple of months, and not full blame can be laid upon them either.

VAK on the other hand has had this issue for 4+ years.

I think there is a clear pattern of why clan wars with VAK fail, and I don't think its the opposing clan most times.
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LordEvolution is not online. LordEvolution
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09 Aug 2016 05:02 PM
VAK isn't a hype clan.


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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09 Aug 2016 05:03 PM
I never called it a hype clan, I'm talking about Shine/Riv's comments, not OP's.
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Externalization is not online. Externalization
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09 Aug 2016 05:04 PM
Seeing as VAK stalled and ended the VOID war where they were losing 5-0 and called it a tie, they didn't want to repeat it with FoA and didn't even bother warring them

It is 100% VAKs fault, from what was leaked in the negotiations VAK wanted SH2 to be a walk in the park while SMO stayed the same


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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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09 Aug 2016 05:05 PM
"I mean the same argument you just made can be made about VAK. The difference is that some of FoA's were done in what, couple of months, and not full blame can be laid upon them either.

VAK on the other hand has had this issue for 4+ years.

I think there is a clear pattern of why clan wars with VAK fail, and I don't think its the opposing clan most times."

FoA has had this pattern of failed wars with several other clans than VAK. You can't blame every opposing clan that FoA goes to war with if this pattern is consistent.

And FoA's instability from not getting these wars proves that they're a hype clan, that's eventually going to die off.
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ForgedVoid is not online. ForgedVoid
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09 Aug 2016 05:07 PM
both clans will never get a good war so i dont see the point in this

if you're cool with training all day and role play, or pretty much in-clan competitiveness then go for vak

if you can put up with no organization, little events, but a fun (meh) environment, go for foa

both clans won't ever be involved in a good war because well, you should all know by now

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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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09 Aug 2016 05:08 PM
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LordEvolution is not online. LordEvolution
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09 Aug 2016 05:08 PM
During negotiations, the changes that would've been made to SMO weren't given a reason, only a rebuttal if they weren't done, as well as they would change the complete layout of the base, essentially removing 50% of the innards, as well as much of the outside cover for Vaktovians, thus adding more unused unnecessary cover for the raiders.


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ForgedVoid is not online. ForgedVoid
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09 Aug 2016 05:08 PM
" It is 100% VAKs fault, from what was leaked in the negotiations VAK wanted SH2 to be a walk in the park while SMO stayed the same"

SMO is a really easy base if you have a experience, you wouldn't know considering you've never been involved in a real organized raid there.

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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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09 Aug 2016 05:09 PM
"FoA has had this pattern of failed wars with several other clans than VAK. You can't blame every opposing clan that FoA goes to war with if this pattern is consistent."

Yeah but I'm assuming you're counting wars such as RAT with them, and unless you believe that FoA is at fault for RAT's cowardice (No offense to you), then I think you're numbers are a bit off.

I never said FoA is not responsibe nor fully responsible for some of the things of their past, but I would definitely not place full blame or even most of the blame on them for VAK's incompetence.

"And FoA's instability from not getting these wars proves that they're a hype clan, that's eventually going to die off."

I don't really see them currently as a hype clan as they have been fairly consistent and do continue raids, even with this "died hype." Sure, they probably aren't as active as they were during the VAK conflict (Who isn't), but its not like they just died. Also, it seems like they have been able to get rid of some of those, well I hate using this word but "toxic" members, so perhaps a change is occurring for the better.
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FragileSilence is not online. FragileSilence
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09 Aug 2016 05:12 PM
isolaytor asked vak to close smo

vak offered to use varcia iso said no

checkmate
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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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09 Aug 2016 05:12 PM
"Yeah but I'm assuming you're counting wars such as RAT with them, and unless you believe that FoA is at fault for RAT's cowardice (No offense to you), then I think you're numbers are a bit off."

Stop being ignorant, you don't even know how the RAT-FoA negotiations even played off, FoA literally denied all but one of our changes to SH2, whilst we accepted several of their changes at Sierra.

And I'm not saying that FoA is all to blame, but people tend to blame the opposing clan more than they blame FoA, when FoA has had poor conduct in several wars leading to failed wars.

And maybe a change for FoA is occurring for the better by exiling all those RCL people from Dragoons, that's to see in the future. We'll see how it turns out for FoA if they continue this consistent pattern of failed wars.
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Dystrarrea is not online. Dystrarrea
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09 Aug 2016 05:15 PM
FoA under me was capable of surviving and thriving without war, Shinedown


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Externalization is not online. Externalization
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09 Aug 2016 05:15 PM
"SMO is a really easy base if you have a experience"

yes easy base when you have the best elites on the game raiding lol

and even then, i wouldnt consider it easy


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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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09 Aug 2016 05:17 PM
Yea @Dystra, sadly that's not the case anymore
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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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09 Aug 2016 05:19 PM
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09 Aug 2016 05:22 PM
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Killer9094ALT is not online. Killer9094ALT
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09 Aug 2016 05:31 PM
Shinedown,
SF- This is the RAA war. No 7 wars,
RAA- Bad on both sides and ended.
RAT- Demands such as making SH2 8v14, garage removed, roof entrance for FoA removed, sword rushing removed,
And a 15 min terminal.
Can you guess why we refused? You also wanted to buff Sierra and make the term there 15 minutes and an 8v12
OO-We pulled out, there were never any negotiations
ASOV- both sides agreed to mutually end this
VAK- Come on now are you really going to blame this on us?
XI- this ended.

For the past 5 months you've been referring to a group as toxic when even your own marshals such as Soroff decide it's cool to use admin and flame FoA in a raid.
(prnt.sc/c00sb2)
Your own leader gets mad when people hold the past months of RAT cheating on you and the rest of RAT, and you hold FoA's past against it and call it a hype clan, you even had the nerve to try and troll me when I left FoA mistakingly on this account.
Enough is enough, a hype clan doesn't last for 8 months, a hype clan seems to have better morales and standards right now, and a hype clan seems to have been bullying RAT and pushing them around on its own for the past 3 months now.
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Killer9094ALT is not online. Killer9094ALT
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09 Aug 2016 05:38 PM
I will not insult you in any way so please do not take this as an insult,
However in my opinion, looking back at that war, RATs demands were this:
"-8v14 SH2
- Roof entrance removed so now raiders have a roof entrance but FoA doesn't
- Sword rushing removed
- Garage sealed off
- No more HR to make it official ( I can also probably agree with this )
- 10 second recap ( I can agree with this )


The updates you asked for are literally updates that make defending the fort with guns that do high damage so it's supposed to be at 8v12 and cannot be changed makes it free wins meanwhile we asked for updates at Sierra that should've been there since it released and even your HICOM agreed on that ( division weapons was the biggest update ) THe FF timer was dropped by 3 seconds from 15 to 12


We asked you for updates that should've been in your base to begin with, your HCOM agreed.


The updates you asked for are to make your own raids more convenient after we proved that SH2 with those numbers are fair and has been for months.
we aren't using that fort any longer


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pl_ague is not online. pl_ague
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09 Aug 2016 05:41 PM
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