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Re: Something I want to discuss with you Dapper

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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 01:36 AM
This has been my thinking for a long while now.
It seems as though most scientists believe that DNA decides at least the majority of things in a life form.

That being said, scientists have never quite been able to pinpoint the origin of self consciousness which seems to be one of the only ways we know who we are as a person.

If DNA makes up just about everything then would it not make sense for it to also make up consciousness itself? And if so, would that consciousness be passed down genetically?

If that is true then would that mean that there is familial reincarnation? And even moreso since all humans share a common ancestor at one point or another does that not mean all humans are connected thus forming a collective consciousness?
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AluminumX is not online. AluminumX
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06 Aug 2016 01:37 AM
no

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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 01:44 AM
Bump.
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popomcnuggets is online. popomcnuggets
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06 Aug 2016 01:46 AM
humans cant create enough energy for a quantum entanglement so we use hormones instead
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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06 Aug 2016 01:47 AM
First, we should compare the storage capacity of DNA and your brain.
Your DNA, as everyone knows, is the blueprint for everything you are. It dictates the color of your eyes, your height (partially), your hair color, how your lungs are formed, and yes, even your brain. But here's where things get interesting.
The storage space of DNA is widely-disputed, but many figures place it at around a few gigabytes. That's a lot of information compacted into such a small size. Everything that makes you you (including your brain) is in a few gigabytes of storage (six if you include the full diploid genome). Your brain can store much more than that. Many figures place the low end at one terabyte, which is over 340x the storage space of your genome. Your DNA is simply to small to contain every bit of your consciousness. Certain predispositions to mental disorders can be passed down, but that's related to the physiological formation of your brain, not the storage of the brain itself.


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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 01:55 AM
I understand what you are getting at Dapper, but this is less to do with me being reborn with all of my memories and experience, but more about being reborn with the same basic consciousness.

I suppose we could look at this in another way. If identical twins are born and raised under identical circumstances and conditions, but in different times, could you ever possibly disprove that one twin was not the same person as the other twin. Theoretically they would act the same in any scenario.

Would the twin who was born later be reincarnate of the earlier twin? Even if they were raised in separate environments, the level of consciousness the twin was born with would undoubtedly be the same would it not?

That being said if the barest minimum of our consciousness is decided by our DNA then could it stand to reason that we too may share a similar relationship with those who most closely relate to us?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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06 Aug 2016 02:09 AM
"I understand what you are getting at Dapper, but this is less to do with me being reborn with all of my memories and experience, but more about being reborn with the same basic consciousness."

Well, keep in mind, consciousness is tightly-knit with knowledge and memories. After all, it is a combination of "con" and "science", which roughly translates into "with knowledge". Some knowledge and drives are innate, which is what we call instinct, but I don't really see how any of it could be completely exclusive to your line of inheritance.

"I suppose we could look at this in another way. If identical twins are born and raised under identical circumstances and conditions, but in different times, could you ever possibly disprove that one twin was not the same person as the other twin. Theoretically they would act the same in any scenario."

So hypothetically, as soon as they were both born one was put into cryogenic stasis while the other one was raised? And then after that one died, the other one was brought out and raised under the same exact circumstances?
Assuming the circumstances are exactly identical, this changes into a nature vs. nurture debate. If there are absolutely no variations, there is no reason why they SHOULDN'T turn out almost identical in the long-run. If there are no mental illnesses exclusive to one, or if there are no variables present, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be the same.
I can't say any of this for certain and I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but this isn't something that has been tested yet, obviously. It could go either way.

"Would the twin who was born later be reincarnate of the earlier twin? Even if they were raised in separate environments, the level of consciousness the twin was born with would undoubtedly be the same would it not?"

It could be, but we could say the same of just about every human without a birth defect that alters their consciousness. If you take a baby when it's just born and bring it into a new family, he or she could completely mimic that family in every way, not even knowing he or she was adopted. I wouldn't say consciousness is inherited, but it can certainly seem that way just because people are raised by people with certain traits, which can give them those same traits too.

"That being said if the barest minimum of our consciousness is decided by our DNA then could it stand to reason that we too may share a similar relationship with those who most closely relate to us?"

I sorta covered this in my previous quote, but if you never tell a child that they're adopted and they never figure it out on their own, they would never be able to tell the difference. They could share that same bond.


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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 02:13 AM
Then if you were to direct this discussion at what happens to Us, as in you and me, after we die, would you say a consciousness similar to ours at birth would be who we would become? Or a consciousness that was nurtured to be like us would be who we would become?

This is assuming that's something you can contemplate as being a possibility of course since no one actually knows what happens after death.
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06 Aug 2016 02:19 AM
"Then if you were to direct this discussion at what happens to Us, as in you and me, after we die, would you say a consciousness similar to ours at birth would be who we would become?"

This is something that I've never really thought about, so you've really sparked some curiosity right now.
To be truthful, I've never really contemplated life after death, because I never believed much in the possibility of it. But in the hypothetical situation that there is an afterlife, you really do bring up a good question. Would we be just like our infant self as far as consciousness goes, or would we be who we grew up to be?
I'm going to have to think about that for a minute because that just blew my mind.


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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 02:21 AM
It's something I've thought about for a long time and I am really glad we got to have this discussion.
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06 Aug 2016 02:23 AM
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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06 Aug 2016 02:24 AM
"It's something I've thought about for a long time and I am really glad we got to have this discussion."

Discussions like this are my favorite.
Hostile ones where everyone's trying to disprove each other just feel too frantic. But this one is just great. Even when we have conflicting views on the whole consciousness being related to DNA thing, we still came away form this with something new. I surely never would've thought about that afterlife scenario if it weren't for this discussion, so thank you for that.
I'm going to be having an existential crisis all night now, but it's worth it.


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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 02:31 AM
Agreed. Most great scientists are said to have made great advances "on the shoulders of giants".

I am far from a scientist but mutually beneficial conversations like this one can result in the greatest of discoveries.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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06 Aug 2016 02:34 AM
"I am far from a scientist but mutually beneficial conversations like this one can result in the greatest of discoveries."

Exactly. We would've never made discoveries in things we now consider to be a part of "logical discussions" if it weren't for people coming up with seemingly illogical hypotheses. Thinking outside of the box is what got us this far as a species, and it's a shame that venturing outside of that box is almost frowned upon now.


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rockybow is not online. rockybow
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06 Aug 2016 02:36 AM
You are the first person on Roblox I have ever been able to converse at this level with. Definitely one of my favourite OTers now good job.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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06 Aug 2016 02:40 AM
"You are the first person on Roblox I have ever been able to converse at this level with. Definitely one of my favourite OTers now good job."

I could definitely say the same of you.
Most people I've had similar conversations with are very sneakily trying to get me to slip up so they can call me out for being wrong, but having a discussion with you didn't feel tense like they usually are.
Thank you a whole bunch, that really means a lot. It's one thing to be placed on that level because someone just enjoys seeing you around, but it's another thing to be up there because somebody genuinely enjoys the conversations they have with you.
Thank you again, man.


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