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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 01:57 AM
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=195410618#195416628


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Flux_Capacitor is not online. Flux_Capacitor
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05 Aug 2016 01:58 AM
why wouldn't it be legal lmao
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 02:00 AM
uhhhh
because Microsoft owns Windows?
I can't find anywhere where Microsoft explicitly said that was OK + terms and legal stuff


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Flux_Capacitor is not online. Flux_Capacitor
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05 Aug 2016 02:04 AM
Uh then I don't understand what you're asking.

"It is legal to write software for Windows, that isn't cross platform (Eg, #include ˂windows.h˃) and depend on things like Win32 and D3D?"
That is obviously legal, unless you badly phrased what you wanted or I misinterpreted it. It's fine to use the windows library and D3D (which is also Microsoft's software IIRC) and so on, why wouldn't it be?
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 02:05 AM
Because that would classify as derivative software and as part of an extension of Windows.




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Flux_Capacitor is not online. Flux_Capacitor
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05 Aug 2016 02:06 AM
No it wouldn't, so many programs do exactly what you're doing. An incredible amount lol
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Kodran is not online. Kodran
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05 Aug 2016 02:08 AM
Yeah what are you even saying, there's no reason for that not to be legal.
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 02:08 AM
I guess better explained,


windows.h is part of Microsoft's product (Windows). Because Microsoft owns it, and only licensed Windows to you, you do not own 'windows.h', but you are making your software both dependant and derivative from it. (#include windows.h)

What is the legality and what are the terms of using windows.h and other Microsoft libraries?

I don't want to touch Windows to develop on until Microsoft gives *explicit* permission and goes through in depth about all of this.


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05 Aug 2016 02:09 AM
You can't do that with GPLed software, the GPL explicitly says that your software must also be in turn licensed under the GPL as well if you include a GPLed library.

Without even looking at the Windows license, I'm almost certain that Windows has a no-redistribute clause, or something along the lines saying that.




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05 Aug 2016 02:13 AM
Well I mean microsoft had to implement the whole standard library as well, I'm almost certain it's still your software and you still own it.
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 02:18 AM
"almost" though leaves enough room for a lawsuit.

Is there anywhere where it's spelled out in a license?
Should I go 3mail billg at microsoft.com?




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Monadic is not online. Monadic
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05 Aug 2016 03:16 AM
Reminder: Windows is a SERVICE not an OS.
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05 Aug 2016 03:17 AM
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Monadic is not online. Monadic
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05 Aug 2016 03:17 AM
And yet you'll always be behind Linux users. Pure fact
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 03:19 AM
Well yeah, I'm porting from Linux to Windows because my main machine runs Windows and my development PC runs a bajillion Linux distros, and I don't want to chainload.




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Monadic is not online. Monadic
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05 Aug 2016 03:20 AM
Yet I'm willing to bet you consider yourself a knowledgeable Linux user yet you don't know how to install Gentoo
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 03:20 AM
I run Arch


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Monadic is not online. Monadic
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05 Aug 2016 03:21 AM
I have Arch installed on one laptop, and Gentoo on another, and let me tell you; it is not one tenth as complicated as gentoo
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Harbynger is not online. Harbynger
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05 Aug 2016 05:12 AM
I was considering getting a new laptop and installing Gentoo on it, just because why not.



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