Sevuhrow
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:04 AM |
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=194745648
This thread has been known to people for a good deal of time now, and today a group of us, both for and against Chrispy, had a talk in a TS3 chatroom.
Owned, Polymorphic, myself, Chrispy, AscendingImmortal and Bidoof were the main people interacting in this discussion.
Throughout its duration we essentially argued back and forth the points presented by Owned's document; most of which are either overexaggerated or distorting something that isn't an issue into a huge problem.
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Blatant facts: There is no one currently available who can lead SC in the place of Chrispy. No one else is ready nor are they able to successfully lead a clan of SC's tier at this point in time.
Nobody wants a Councilium system. While it worked for SC, it was starting to fail for them and throughout its duration people were upset with it and the fact that there is no definitive authority.
This effort - merely a power struggle, nothing else - is poised only to destabilize Sleet Clan and ruin the efforts done in the past few months to make SC a good clan that could last without Prag for a long period of time.
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"As most of C&G knows, Chrispy has been found responsible for countless acts of cheating. Most notably was during the SC-JC war"
Yes, Chrispy cheated during the JC war/updated his base. No, this is not acceptable. No, it is not excusable. We know this. Chrispy knows this. All of SC knows this.
It is something profoundly regretted, and it has not been seen to happen again with Chrispy's behavior since. But, you'll comment, "Chrispy didn't write his own apology!"
Let's be frank, here: C&G is a battlefield of words in times of drama. People here will do anything they can to distort your words and make them mean something you did not intend, and then shove them down your throat.
During these times, it is vital that you write properly and that you write effectively. Should you have poor wording or writing skills, your defense will be unconvincing and people will use what you said against you.
Anyone and everyone who knows Chrispy can agree; he's not known for his very strong usage of the English language nor for his extremely capable writing ability. This is where Prag came in.
Mind you, it was COMPLETELY offered by Prag that he write the post. Chrispy initially attempted to write an apology, as far as I know, and knowing this Prag offered his assistance which was accepted by Chrispy. This does, quite honestly, not matter at all. Generally speaking, what was written by Prag were Chrispy's words being written in the style of Prag by Prag. This does not make the apology non-authentic nor does it make it illegitimate.
Chrispy still means every word written, and it was posted on his account for a valid reason - he is sorry and this is something I can tell.
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Cheating:
I won't address what the cheating was. This isn't excusable.
However, let's take something into account: many clans have cheated at least once. Even Owned did, the author of the declaration. He, and those others, learned from their mistakes, fixed them, and continued on.
Said by Owned himself, Chrispy was able to cheat without any repercussion. He had no "penalties" or was never "held responsible." All are quotes from the anti-Chrispy delegation. With this, though, we now have Chrispy being presented with this choice: stop cheating and fix his mistakes or face the consequences provided by the "rebellion."
As we can clearly see thus far (or at least I have,) Chrispy is taking the former decision. AscendingImmortal put it well: Chrispy has failed SC in terms of "cheating" or dishonorable acts twice; if he meets his third then by all rights and reasons SC may be upset with him. However, he is willing to give him one more chance before he changes his mind.
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"Chrispy isn't a good leader"
So far Chrispy has managed to make SC a very potent force. Activity is not just something that can be brushed aside, especially when it is consistent in both the officer and member fields. It is a respectable attribute that only Chrispy is responsible for at this point. SC is no longer being advertised or VIP recruited as far as I know, it's all Chrispy.
Chrispy's inactivity only ended fairly recently, when he came back. After a small period of inactivity, he had shouted an announcement and immediately revitalized the group and it's been good since then; they performed really well against JC - cheating or not - and have showed no signs of slowing down.
The current leader of Sleet Clan is one who unifies. He was given the group after a debate between two sides - Jamber or Chrispy parties - and upon receiving it he unified these two parties into one group: Sleet Clan.
However, Owned and the delegation against Chrispy aren't doing this. They are simply making another faction against Chrispy of their own, simply because they want power or are upset of not receiving power earlier; notice how the first signature is JamberPilot, the same individual who was refused the group in favor of his opponent a few months ago.
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Signatures:
A lot of the people who signed have either been inactive in SC or are simply irrelevant to SC. While I am in no position to say this, you may take a look at any of the names and really analyze what they have done in the past month or two for the clan.
Some people who signed have not been involved in SC for close to a year.
If you want specific names, feel free to ask anyone who is more well-versed on the subject. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
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Let's also point out the following: - Owned and his friends (Owned owns the SC TS3 server,) banned anyone who supported Chrispy - including Chrispy, Pragmatist, and other HICOM members - from the TS3 server. This is still ongoing. - IP addresses of Chrispy supporters are currently being accessed and distributed to the public on the TS3 server.
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I write this not in favor of Chrispy, nor in favor of the party against him. In fact, if Chrispy does intend to continue his actions - which he shows no sign of - then A-SOV and myself will surely be joining the opposition in this effort, but we will most likely not be seeing such a thing occur.
I write this in favor of Sleet Clan, and its unity as one clan for the sake of its future.
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:06 AM |
I will join the opposition if it happens again, but for now, the rebels will be exterminated.
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:07 AM |
This
hello. i'm the bandit of UCR. |
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:07 AM |
I will honestly lead SC with Poly or someone else holding it. Or someone else does this same idea, someone above them to keep things in line.
WCoR is a collection of clans an a easy way to find them, check out our twitter for a nice XL sheet of clan bases and also join us on our discord: twitter.com/robloxwarclans
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OwneD1991
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:08 AM |
Give me proof of the IP leaking and it'll be handled.
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Zach1102
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Sevuhrow
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:09 AM |
| If I do end up going offline due to posting this I'm going to be really disappointed. |
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Sevuhrow
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:14 AM |
| Didn't TCD decline your war because you refused to use a gun fort |
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Wolf_S
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OwneD1991
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:17 AM |
>still yet to receive proof regarding these 'ip leaks'
and yeah, I see why you reported this to Chris so fast, cheaters work stronger in numbers
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Hare8901
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:18 AM |
"Didn't TCD decline your war because you refused to use a gun fort"
no war starts august 5th |
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:18 AM |
So jokes aside, looking at it from a more informed opinion. It looks like one side believes things have gotten out of hand while the other side believes Chrispy will stop doing what the other has stated as proof to the claims of removing him.
While they have a large case of supporters I looked at the list and I checked which ones were hicom, it was pretty clear several were not and several were only honor ranking members or lower HRs.
I think Owned needs to mend things, he needs to not ban Chrispy and supporters from the server. That is like ignoring a disagreement. He can though lower his settings so he can't kick or ban. Talking things out like this is key, and keeping things like this low key is also. My first day in SC I was talking to an HR and the two had a disagreement because he had known things about this "uprising" or "coup". While he has alright to an opinion, a Coup or Uprising isn't the way to go. As all clans have in the end a dictatorship its hard to push for such things without extremes like this.
Suggestions. Lower admin powers within the group, no shout privilege, no exile, no promote, and no deleting of things.
Organize a meeting between the parties needed to discuss things, clearly Owned being the former leader is the leader of 1 side and the other would be Prag and Chrispy.
I don't know what else to say but putting chrispy in some type of role that keeps him in line and he is not all powerful is probably what is needed. Going back to a "test run" position under Poly or Prag or another key note member.
And guys please stop being so hostile.
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Sevuhrow
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:22 AM |
| That's a great joke, Owned, coming from someone who has consistently cheated throughout his ownership of SC and even Chrispy himself has stated he received negative influence from when referring to his cheating. |
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:26 AM |
| Don't like chrispy but I wish I could pull up the old threads of owned cheating during his tenure as SC leader last Summer. |
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SnoopDogg
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:29 AM |
this is a very good point. as long as someone who can drop Chris (in this case, prag) owns the group it should suffice. If Chrispy tries to cheat again, he is able to be removed from power, while SC is still in the hands of a capable leader. It gets the job done I suppose.
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Sakits
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| 28 Jul 2016 12:33 AM |
@seviro https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=194750383
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Sevuhrow
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55Altair
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:04 AM |
| Not true I can lead Sleet Clan trust me just give me a chance coach |
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Seviro
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:04 AM |
I would like to note that several SC loyalists have been DDoSed over the course of this "rebellion" after the IP's were being leaked.
https://www.roblox.com/sev3-item?id=290109654 |
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c_nstable
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:04 AM |
Didn't your 2iC sign it
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55Altair
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:05 AM |
Petition to give it to me because I honestly don't care if I get DDoSed because I have other stuff to do and SC is bad anyway so it doesn't matter if I give it to Vaktus
-Altair55 -55Altair (no relation to altair55) |
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Seviro
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:05 AM |
I don't care what he signs, I lead the group.
https://www.roblox.com/sev3-item?id=290109654 |
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c_nstable
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:07 AM |
Mk
And honestly there are capable leaders, just they won't get the group lol |
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bidoof77
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| 28 Jul 2016 03:07 AM |
| Can someone find any evidence over alleged assertions of IP leaking and ddosing of pro-chrispy members? |
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