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Re: Help me work on a direct democracy system

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steamsport is not online. steamsport
Joined: 26 Apr 2014
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25 Jul 2016 01:56 AM
Give me ideas, I have been constructing an outline of what I think is proper. But I can't find a loop around that is used for democratic votes where people have a group like FEAR and sonic wants to be council so he tells fear to vote for him
and then they all go and vote sonic.
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Visarin is not online. Visarin
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25 Jul 2016 01:58 AM
I'll think of something and post it on discord
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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25 Jul 2016 01:58 AM
what
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bazookapotato is not online. bazookapotato
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25 Jul 2016 02:00 AM
what [2]


hello. i'm the bandit of UCR.
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Auzric is not online. Auzric
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25 Jul 2016 02:00 AM
commie
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:01 AM
Direct democracy for a representative system Hero.


So say 4 people are running for 2 seats.
I want a loop around that would work for someone that is voting for these people where if say clan 1 wants there leader in the council can't just have their members all vote and create a massive pull in the polls.

One way to avoid this is google forms
Another is that we require them to log into a gmail account so they can only vote 1 time.



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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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25 Jul 2016 02:04 AM
okay but what does the council "do" in the clan? what is its purpose?
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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:08 AM
your use of "loop around" really throws me off.

It creates connotative interference in your message...
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Auzric is not online. Auzric
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25 Jul 2016 02:09 AM
feel the bern
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Dawntine is not online. Dawntine
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25 Jul 2016 02:11 AM
Let me explain to you what my idea of how to implement a democracy system would be:

HttpService. It's all about HttpService.

Google Forms - everything - all useless. Polls are awful. Forum voting is awful.

To be eligible to vote in this clan, you need to have spent at least an hour and a half in the past two weeks actively at the clan forts or clan events. HttpService will log this.

People will go to a ROBLOX place to vote, and they will do their voting there. The group is owned by a holder account which never is actually used by anyone. Exiling, promotions, and demotions are all handled with the automation bot.

This is the _only_ good way to do democracy. No other way is really worth it.

Hope I helped.


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:11 AM
I mean loophole.
It's a loophole to spam votes for 1 person.
Even with predetermined rules.

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Dawntine is not online. Dawntine
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25 Jul 2016 02:12 AM
Google Forms, polls, forum votes - all can and will be rigged by people.

HttpService or nothing is my opinion.


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:12 AM
This isn't for a clan my bad.
This is for Obtentions idea. Because he asked me to help.

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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:17 AM
Look, I don't understand you because a democracy is literally the people's rule.


By way of being democratic a direct democracy is literally the most popular candidate/idea being the one that is adopted/officiated.




The only loophole, if we're talking about Obtention's goals of a council, would be to appoint clan representatives based on their member count.

Maybe 1 per thousand in clans with 1k< members

1 per hundred in clans with 100< members

and 1 per ten in clans with >100 members


That would mean that a clan is given representation by a smaller amount of people. It isn't a direct democracy, as for a direct democracy all parties must vote, but it is a representative democracy which is as close to a loophole as you can get without defying the "democracy" part of this situation.
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Dawntine is not online. Dawntine
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25 Jul 2016 02:18 AM
I personally think direct democracy no matter what is a fairly bad idea in any form - people have too many things to do to worry about every little issue. I do love representative democracy, though, which this would be.


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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:20 AM
I still do not understand I mean if it's a direct democracy it doesn't matter if a clan leader has all of his members supporting him.

that is exactly how a democracy is lol


All of your supporters support you.

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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:22 AM
Hangon guys, I will come out with my idea in like 30 minutes because I think I know what we can do now.

By direct I mean you vote who you want from the ballot.
And all parties can.
Not just a few. This would though create the representative body

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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:25 AM
No offense man but is English not your first language?

That last sentence of your explanation throws me off big time.

You're talking about voting for candidates on a ballot.

And then suddenly you throw in "representative body".


Voting for your candidate does not creative a representative body.


It tosses me way off from what you're trying to say when you throw something in there. It's like putting a brick wall in the middle of the road.


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:41 AM
That's because the idea is have formed and I am only giving half of what I am thinking to you.

Also you're over complicating it.

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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:47 AM
English can't be your first language.

I'm not over complicating anything.

Democracy is literally a popularity contest. You're saying you want it to not be a popularity contest.


If I'm wrong, you haven't made your intentions clear.


It'd help if you just said exactly what you're trying to do.
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 02:48 AM
Half formed*.
And no english is my first language.

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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:50 AM
I want to help you.

You're making it really hard to do that when you say things that are contradicting each other.


Just tell me what you're trying to accomplish and I can give you a decent enough set up.
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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25 Jul 2016 02:54 AM
I have a very good process in mind with how alts can be cut out of the equation, and we can ensure that one person gets one vote in an election process.
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ErvvinSmith is not online. ErvvinSmith
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25 Jul 2016 02:56 AM
^

See Polymorphic used English.

If you were worried about 2x votes per 1 person. You could've said that.

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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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25 Jul 2016 03:03 AM
I want to limit the amount of abuse of a popularity vote and alts, but I think I found a way to do that. I am writing up a post with help, that will get the point across better.

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