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Re: Though Atom would not admit it....

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pspjohn1 is not online. pspjohn1
Joined: 08 Nov 2008
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22 Jul 2016 08:46 AM
It's apparent for the public to see that JC just won against SC.

I have no stake in this current JC, I'm not even in it.

But SC saw how the JC fort worked, agreed to the war, then realised they were going to lose and so had to OPify their fort.

Seems like SC knew they were going to lose.....

Seems like SC knew JC was going to win.....

JC VICTOR!



On a sidenote, I really hate these wars. Both clans (Well all present clans) rely not on manpower, in fact using "There must be at least X defenders in a server to be official" rules to completely cancel out the effect of manpower. Ah yes, manpower is not even a factor they say (When it is actually the proof of success in a clan, how many they have behind their cause), what we rely on, they say, is SKILL!

Isn't it funny how all that skill has to hide behind forts so in their favour that it is near impossible for the raiding clan to win.

You have been listenin to psp on present clans, we hope u enjoyed this programme and urge you to subscribe for more content ;)
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FiIlipe is not online. FiIlipe
Joined: 24 Nov 2011
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22 Jul 2016 08:48 AM
HAIL COBRAS


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
Joined: 11 Jan 2013
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22 Jul 2016 08:49 AM
did you do something like this in the jan 1st invasion lmao?
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pspjohn1 is not online. pspjohn1
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22 Jul 2016 08:52 AM
Thing is Vauron Fang was always relatively fair compared to other forts, raiders always had a good possibility of winning there.

Whereas our enemies forts were not in any way fair.

It was not a level playing field at all.

I could have made Fang like the current one Atom is using, where JC has a very real advantage, and wow maybe C&G would instantly be like "WOAHHHH JC JUST GOT MOAR SKEEL?". It would have just taken the fun out of it for me.
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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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22 Jul 2016 08:54 AM
valid point actually

but u still claimed to have won xd
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pspjohn1 is not online. pspjohn1
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22 Jul 2016 08:57 AM
We came out larger, stronger, more active, could rally over 350 people whereas no other clan of our enemies could rally anything near that alone.
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Bazzzaa is not online. Bazzzaa
Joined: 03 Apr 2008
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22 Jul 2016 09:00 AM
Atomic's Fang is still really fair tbh. Only one major advantage for JC but that can easily be countered.
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Blast87 is not online. Blast87
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22 Jul 2016 09:00 AM
John is just giving his opinion, as he said " I'm not even in it."

Atom did admit, he could have claimed a win since SC broke the War Terms.

To be honest, it was 100% better to just walk away from SC and their toxic HICOM. (In respects to Prag).
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Blast87 is not online. Blast87
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22 Jul 2016 09:02 AM
For the time, JC was powerful in numbers.

It lacked organization, otherwise we were extremely powerful. Most of those members have either quit or have dispersed into other clans.
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legomada is not online. legomada
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22 Jul 2016 09:03 AM
Never thought of it that way, Blast, but you can find JC veterans in nearly every clan today. Kinda impressive, really.
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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22 Jul 2016 09:09 AM
Yeah but John, Fang was X defenders in a server to be official too...?

I'm not bashing on Fang because it was fun but it was still 5 JC for official.

You could raid and take the flag whenever, but it wasn't an official or recognized win unless 5 JC were there.
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pspjohn1 is not online. pspjohn1
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22 Jul 2016 09:11 AM
That was introduced as a measure only to fight the GSC because they ALL had those measures against us. JC was the only major clan to accept empty server raids for a veryyyyy long period of time.

Still, 5 JC out of 30 players, compared to what now? 8 JC out of 22 players.

16% JC required as opposed to the now 36% of JC required, over double + Fang is now more OP.
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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22 Jul 2016 09:12 AM
HAIL COBRAS
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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22 Jul 2016 09:14 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you that bases nowadays are more unfair but Fang, even before GSC, had that rule for a while.

I'm not saying you couldn't empty server raid, its just that in the description it stated that its not official/recognized unless 5 JC were present.
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Bazzzaa is not online. Bazzzaa
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22 Jul 2016 09:16 AM
"compared to what now? 8 JC out of 22 players."

8 JC required. Server size of 25 (8 v 17)

That is still very fair in my opinion.
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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22 Jul 2016 09:20 AM
in 2011 most clans required 3-5 to raid. 6+ it was considered unfair
now most clans require 7-10 lol
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EmperorRyzoft is not online. EmperorRyzoft
Joined: 12 Jan 2013
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22 Jul 2016 09:22 AM
Yeah. I'v been saying this for years along side you Jonnie boi. Not like anyone doesn't know this. lol

The reason I quit clans was because of the pure toxic influences I had to deal with. Every single war GG had to endure was purely unfair against GG. The only fair war GG was ever given was from JC and yes we still lost. That matters not as clans are expected to >>ACCEPT<< defeat as it makes them Honourable and they learn from the mistakes they made in that war. Clan forts are the reason the clan world went in rapid decline like it did.

The reason why John,Toni,CT and many others left was because this unfair and unjust system which was unfix-able. The only people able to fix it were the richest and they all sided with the unfair 'power' clans. One year ago GG declared war on V O I D was was not taken seriously. Our first raid EVER at their base we won and they started to look at us differently. Iso recruited some of my members into V O I D but little did Iso know I told them to go with Iso and join V O I D to see how corrupted their system was. Iso was a complete jack___ and utterly racist. He didn't care about the state of the clan world as he only gained from its current state.


Clans that have 20 player server slots and have to have 11 of that groups people for it to be official should not be considered a war clan.
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1337Pb is not online. 1337Pb
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22 Jul 2016 09:24 AM
well back then, at least in the clans I was in, no one even thought to server hop which is why people enjoyed hanging out at forts
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EmperorRyzoft is not online. EmperorRyzoft
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22 Jul 2016 09:24 AM
And all people justified it as was "GG is bad you would have lost anyway.".
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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22 Jul 2016 09:24 AM
i despise any fort that has less than 25 slots for server space
and i only accept 25 if its a laggy fort
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EmperorRyzoft is not online. EmperorRyzoft
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22 Jul 2016 09:25 AM
If it has -25 I will not consider it a war-clan. 25 itself is ok I guess but bellow that is pretty unacceptable.
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EmperorRyzoft is not online. EmperorRyzoft
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22 Jul 2016 09:26 AM
If I had kept JC there would have been 40 player slots and 30 preferred count as it would stop pre-flooding.
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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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22 Jul 2016 09:29 AM
i remember the TGI vs x-101st war
bismarck/franneh3 had 30 person servers
TGI stronghold had 20 person servers
they remove their lagfest guns and put in temporary ROBLOX gear rifles that arent lagfest and increase it to 30
x-101st wins 5 times in 2 days
they switch it back to 20 people
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Blast87 is not online. Blast87
Joined: 01 Aug 2011
Total Posts: 2312
23 Jul 2016 12:28 PM
Vak pulled small servers on Day 1.

Their server size was 20, 8 VAK required (I might be wrong) which was one of the main reasons why VAK was so unbeatable.

@legomada Ikr, legit I started noticing our veterans looking into other clans a couple months before and after The Revolution.
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