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Re: Negotiations have broken down with VF

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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
Joined: 19 Apr 2011
Total Posts: 3299
18 Jul 2016 01:10 AM
So basically, they've demanded we make some severe changes to our raid system.

-Reduce 30k tower health to 15k
-Increase the range on being able to damage/heal towers.
-Remove some guns(which werent free for either side to begin with)
-Same damage/healing times for both sides

Our request

-Change your raid time to 800 from 1000

Their response "You do realize that no matter what you say, I'm not changing the raid timer?"




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swany2 is not online. swany2
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
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18 Jul 2016 01:11 AM
Considering the fact that our base is already fair, much unlike your base. There are no changes necessary. The fact that you spawn right next to the three towers we are supposed to destroy, and the fact that these towers are repairable makes your argument void.





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steamsport is not online. steamsport
Joined: 26 Apr 2014
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18 Jul 2016 01:11 AM
Tell him you will change what he asked if he changes the timer also?

I mean, it shouldn't be too difficult to do anything you listed.

Hey, the clan event just started check it out and my twittere: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=193712093 https://twitter.com/Robloxwarclans
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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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18 Jul 2016 01:12 AM
I can already tell that swany has no idea how to lead a clan
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JorDandere is not online. JorDandere
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18 Jul 2016 01:12 AM
1000 is more than reasonable! Especially when the average fort has a raid time of 1200+.
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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:12 AM
We also, let them change the ORIGINAL timer from 500 to 1000 just to see how a raid felt with the time change as we won a 500 second raid time raid fairly easily, yet when we raided with the 1000 timer it even with strategy and such, the time was a bit long and felt unfair due to all their advantages. When we ask for it to be adjusted down only 200 seconds less they refuse entirely. We've given them every update they want and they refuse to give us ONE.

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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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18 Jul 2016 01:13 AM
Also no need to argue "Oh my base is more fair" ask for the spawn to be moved a little more away.
If you talk in a calm manner and not so hostile you might be able to get more done.

Hey, the clan event just started check it out and my twittere: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=193712093 https://twitter.com/Robloxwarclans
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swany2 is not online. swany2
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18 Jul 2016 01:14 AM
@steamsport Trust me, I've tried that in terms of civil communication. Generally their shouting isn't the best response.


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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:15 AM
We have to hold two terminals at once, and if we lose just one of them the entire raid timer restarts. I could understand if it was one terminal, but two... When they also have height advantage and spawn right next to one of the cap points, basically making it unworth capping, restricting us to only two points which they have the advantage of getting to one of them(Three ways to it), while we only have two to it. They can also shoot us on the cap point across the map while being able to shoot on the other cap point that we hold at the same time. Basically being able to attack all three cap points from their mountain advantage.

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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18 Jul 2016 01:15 AM
ok i checked vf out and its official

noobs
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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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18 Jul 2016 01:16 AM
Hey, just discuss it calmly.
If you feel the 1k timer is alright but your opposing clan wants 200 less and it was originally 500. I don't see the trouble in editing it.
If you feel the spawns are offset, try and discuss moving them a little bit more.



Hey, the clan event just started check it out and my twittere: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=193712093 https://twitter.com/Robloxwarclans
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RVD2121 is not online. RVD2121
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18 Jul 2016 01:16 AM
Make it simple... if you both can't deal with the current states of the forts find a different clan to war. Just follow the rules of the base and first to so and so raid wins, win. Damn, why make things so difficult?
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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:17 AM
@Zach,@steamsport, we've been very reasonable with them in terms of negotiations. Given them every update they've asked. Already implemented actually, yet when we ask for one. They tell us no matter what we say they're not doing it. Seems like they don't understand how negotiations work.

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swany2 is not online. swany2
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18 Jul 2016 01:17 AM
@RVD VF ended negotiations but TVO believes that if they go to C&G that will change our standpoint


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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18 Jul 2016 01:18 AM
How about we take this to a skype chat or steam. Whatever your using to talk and I will try my best to settle whatever disputes you have, I will look over the bases and give my own input and let you decide on your own courses of action.
No need to have negative nellys like Zach telling you how quality of a leader you are.

Hey, the clan event just started check it out and my twittere: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=193712093 https://twitter.com/Robloxwarclans
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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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18 Jul 2016 01:18 AM
Unai, try warring a reputable group. I'll place VF on the clan embargo.
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swany2 is not online. swany2
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18 Jul 2016 01:19 AM
@steamsport It's been on skype until they brought the conversation to the forums.


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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:19 AM
We want to, but an easy war win was something we hoped would boost our activity.

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swany2 is not online. swany2
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18 Jul 2016 01:20 AM
No war should be easy. And if you were looking for an easy war, VF would be the wrong group to fight.


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JorDandere is not online. JorDandere
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18 Jul 2016 01:21 AM
"I'll place VF on the clan embargo", Sorry to say this but y-you act like that actually means something to anyone.
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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:21 AM
@Swany, like I said in skype. I wanted to see how C&G felt about the current negotiations and oh my look at that. They're telling you the same thing we did, it's not that hard to edit 200 seconds after we've given you every update you've asked for.

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RVD2121 is not online. RVD2121
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18 Jul 2016 01:22 AM
Ofcourse the war won't be easy, these negotiations aren't even easy for some reason. State your ages.
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UnaiVyycan is not online. UnaiVyycan
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18 Jul 2016 01:24 AM
@Swany, you don't realize that we've beaten top 20 clans in raids easily yes? Your clan doesn't intimidate us when you say that. I had never heard of Vanguard Federation until it was brought to my attention that we would be warring you. We're a known clan by many people. Considering our HICOM is made up of old Team Bluesteel members, Frost Clan members, and Sleet Clan members. Most of our HICOM was HICOM in at least one of those groups. We're known in the clan community whether by TVO or being veterans of other clans, which are quite respected.

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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18 Jul 2016 01:24 AM
yea im being rude because small clan leader thinks he can make demands
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RVD2121 is not online. RVD2121
Joined: 01 Feb 2011
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18 Jul 2016 01:26 AM
I just know u because you had a lot of copied stuff when you first came out (CONEX Holo, LIGHT Uniform, etc.) But I think that has all been changed right.
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