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Re: A plea to swords only clans

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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
Joined: 12 May 2013
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11 Jul 2016 03:20 PM
You don't need to be swords
You don't need to be guns

But please don't isolate yourself to a single community. This is mainly for sword clans but also applies to gun clans (eg clans which wont war FC just for their bows, imo only valid reason not to is because FC doesnt opensource their bows)

The clan community used to be one, now it's split into 2. Yes there's genre clans which only war other genre clans but those are more about RP than clanning, but sword and gun clans both have the focus of being, well, clans.

I've been in both 'communities' and I've been around since when 'being swords only' was by no means an excuse to decline a war from a gun clan. We need to go back to that. Let's stop being sword and gun clans and become 'war' clans. A clan which wars everyone, not just sword clans and gun clans

I take plenty of criticism on my list for not including sword clans unless they war gun clans, I do so because gun clans have seemingly won out. Swordie long timers have been switching in the masses, Frized and Gbronzed to name a few, and the unthinkable is happening, RB is going hybrid. All this while sword clans slowly wither away due to their inability to adapt. The top sword clan may rally 30 rn while the likes of RAT and FEAR can rally in the hundreds.

I'm not telling sword clans to add guns to their forts, I'm saying train with guns, flame gun clans and war gun clans. Stop isolating yourselves and expand your horizons, there's no way we can force swords only clans to start warring all clans, but we can ask them nicely

Dear sword clans, make the clan community whole again

Let's stop being sword clans and gun clans

Let's have a unified war clan community
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Gbronzed is not online. Gbronzed
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11 Jul 2016 03:22 PM
Support.
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FrozenTempest is not online. FrozenTempest
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11 Jul 2016 03:37 PM
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TheCelvestian is not online. TheCelvestian
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11 Jul 2016 03:38 PM
You forget C&G doesn't like unification


It likes to see drama


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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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11 Jul 2016 03:41 PM
The term gun & sword clan has always annoyed me. We are all war clans thus we should war eachother without question. You should not have to change the main weaponry at your fort just to be able to war someone





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Jayreaper is not online. Jayreaper
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11 Jul 2016 04:28 PM
Sword clans aren't "withering" away, it grows a lot more than gun clans do since Gun clans get absorbed into other gun groups and have the same problems as Sword Clans.

You are also taking away the fact that there are people who just likes using swords and doesn't like using guns. In other words the whole "Sword Clans are bad" and "Gun Clans" are bad is really just a matter of choice.

Sword Clans can rally just as many as well as both types of weaponry take time to really learn how to use so I don't understand why all of you can stick it in your brains that swords and guns are virtually the same except one is ranged and the other is close quarter.

Hybrid clans are fine, great I don't mind it. At least they don't complain about losing a raid because their opponent is mainly swords and they are guns. If you all are going to try to advocate fore everyone to be Hybrids then you are already being stupid, everyone should be let to use what weapon they wish to use.




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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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11 Jul 2016 04:48 PM
I knew their was a reason why I put you on my staff O_O

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iamsamdidyouknowthat is not online. iamsamdidyouknowthat
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11 Jul 2016 06:48 PM
Preach.
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Xorendyruhsik is not online. Xorendyruhsik
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11 Jul 2016 06:54 PM
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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11 Jul 2016 07:39 PM
"Sword clans aren't "withering" away, it grows a lot more than gun clans do since Gun clans get absorbed into other gun groups and have the same problems as Sword Clans.

You are also taking away the fact that there are people who just likes using swords and doesn't like using guns. In other words the whole "Sword Clans are bad" and "Gun Clans" are bad is really just a matter of choice.

Sword Clans can rally just as many as well as both types of weaponry take time to really learn how to use so I don't understand why all of you can stick it in your brains that swords and guns are virtually the same except one is ranged and the other is close quarter.

Hybrid clans are fine, great I don't mind it. At least they don't complain about losing a raid because their opponent is mainly swords and they are guns. If you all are going to try to advocate fore everyone to be Hybrids then you are already being stupid, everyone should be let to use what weapon they wish to use."
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I am going to counter the main arguments you presented here

>Sword clans are not withering away, it grows more than gun clans!!
The fastest growing and most powerful clans, in terms of pure recruitment and growth, are two hybrid clans. FEAR & RAT both train with differing weapons and FEAR even has an entire division devoted to swords.

>Some people just dont like to use a gun or a sword
The reason why the majority of these people have a blind hatred of a certain weapon type is due to the social brainwashing done by each clan. To be a true war clan you must war other clans, regardless of what weapon type. By having strictly sword and strictly gun clans you are basically punishing people for creativity and having diverse weaponry and just strengthening the status quo.

>Sword clans can rally as much as others
I am fairly sure some of the hybrid/gun clans can rally more than the entire sword clan clique can. FEAR can easily rally a hundred or so, same with RAT if they have a common enemy, and VAK can easily rally over a hundred. TRA has also seen to rally some considerable numbers, not quite in the hundreds but very close. Now, how many sword clans can match that? Maybe one

>Each weapon takes time to use
Uhh, cool? Stating a random fact doesn't really prove a point but whatever

>If you are gonna try to force people into being hybrid you are stupid
I think you may want to google what the word "Plea" means. Also, what is the harm? There is clearly only benefits and the only people it's harming is the small group of people that resist change. In history there is always that one small group of people who resist change and push for the status quo. History has also taught us that these people all inevitably fall and change arrives.

tl;dr

There is nothing but benefits to changing from a sword only or a gun only clan to becoming a hybrid. It helps your clan, it helps the community, and it allows clans to pursue unique weapon types and diversify what we use to mindlessly slaughter eachother.



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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 07:49 PM
Ezaihs did a good job knocking those points down
Not saying you need swords, just learn to adapt
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robepriority is not online. robepriority
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11 Jul 2016 07:50 PM
I think the reason some clans are swords only is because guns are not as opensource.


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steamsport is not online. steamsport
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11 Jul 2016 07:52 PM
I have a list of roughly 27 hybrid clans, most of them are high functioning clans.


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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 07:54 PM
' I think the reason some clans are swords only is because guns are not as opensource.'

Most top sword clans spend thousands on forts
Pretending they are poor it's acceptable to use smgs now in forts
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ezaiahs is not online. ezaiahs
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11 Jul 2016 07:57 PM
"I think the reason some clans are swords only is because guns are not as opensource."

.....

Within 5 min I found the following:

WIJ tech
RCL
SMG's
Some weird like..battlefield style guns??
Reapers
More weird like battlefield style guns..but then they had halo UI stuff..

Anyhow there is plenty of open source stuff out there




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BrokenRyan916 is not online. BrokenRyan916
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11 Jul 2016 08:18 PM
I do believe in a unified community, but as I have said hundreds of times sword clans training their members in guns does not make them sword clans, it makes them hybrid. I believe that is why I believe many sword clans don't adapt. Also funny how your blaming sword clans, gun clanners are just as responsible for ripping up this community, as since there are more of them on C&G anything with swords constantly gets flamed and insulted for no reason other than the fact that "guns are better". This has made sword clanners really dislike gun clanners, and make them stay off C&G, and refuse to want to even associate with gun clans in general. Also the sword community died because of the cancer in the community itself that ruined it(Nick especially, him and his constant bullying of the community made people leave in huge numbers). I like to use swords and guns, and I think the fact your blaming the sword clans for this rift is absolutely ridiculous, the rift lies in both parties, and swords dying is not because guns are better or any of that nonsense, it is because of the cancer and bullying within the community itself, aka the gun clan community had a better enviorment which is why FEAR,RAT, and TRA can rally hundreds.
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Makantuyio is not online. Makantuyio
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11 Jul 2016 08:39 PM
I agree to your plea.
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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 09:22 PM
" I do believe in a unified community, but as I have said hundreds of times sword clans training their members in guns does not make them sword clans, it makes them hybrid. I believe that is why I believe many sword clans don't adapt. Also funny how your blaming sword clans, gun clanners are just as responsible for ripping up this community, as since there are more of them on C&G anything with swords constantly gets flamed and insulted for no reason other than the fact that "guns are better". This has made sword clanners really dislike gun clanners, and make them stay off C&G, and refuse to want to even associate with gun clans in general. Also the sword community died because of the cancer in the community itself that ruined it(Nick especially, him and his constant bullying of the community made people leave in huge numbers). I like to use swords and guns, and I think the fact your blaming the sword clans for this rift is absolutely ridiculous, the rift lies in both parties, and swords dying is not because guns are better or any of that nonsense, it is because of the cancer and bullying within the community itself, aka the gun clan community had a better enviorment which is why FEAR,RAT, and TRA can rally hundreds."

I've been on C&G since '11 and swords only clans which only warred swird clans came to be maybe 2013 maybe 2012, their quite recent. And though rclers might post 'swords r bad', C&Gers arent what the gun community is, when was the last time you saw a gun clan refuse a sword clans war (of course nowadays sword clans declare war and in the terms say "remove guns. y ur not gonna? scurred?") It's absolutely sword clan's fault for causing the rift because they've tried to isolate themselves from the rest of the clan world
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Horrification is not online. Horrification
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11 Jul 2016 09:24 PM
"remove guns. y ur not gonna? scurred?") It's absolutely sword clan's fault for causing the rift because they've tried to isolate themselves from the rest of the clan world"

only the trash clans do that.


hurrah!
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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 09:25 PM
'"remove guns. y ur not gonna? scurred?") It's absolutely sword clan's fault for causing the rift because they've tried to isolate themselves from the rest of the clan world"

only the trash clans do that.'


True that the majority of sword clans don't do that but even the large and respectable ones, save a few, don't accept gun clan's wars
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Horrification is not online. Horrification
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11 Jul 2016 09:25 PM
RB was at war with EL some time ago.


hurrah!
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Loveydovy is not online. Loveydovy
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11 Jul 2016 09:26 PM
"FC doesn't opensource their bows"

dude we have a FWII replica open for all???????????


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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 09:26 PM
Then RB is a model of what sword clans should be (unless you stopped accepting)

but arent you guys adding guns to your fort soon
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BrokenRyan916 is not online. BrokenRyan916
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11 Jul 2016 09:28 PM
Finally agent the idiot reveals his bias. "It's absolutely sword clan's fault for causing the rift because they've tried to isolate themselves from the rest of the clan world ". Dude the cause lies in both communities.
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theagent008 is not online. theagent008
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11 Jul 2016 09:29 PM
'dude we have a FWII replica open for all???????????'

So? That's the weaponry but admins don't have admin etc

What's the worst that could happen if FC released their bows?
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