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Re: quick ranking ROBLOX's top 3 clans

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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 01:55 AM
algorithm: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=192643346

clans being ranked: vak, foa and rat

first - foa (temporarily buffed by pre-vak war)
foa does well for condition one
foa does great for condition two
foa does well for condition three
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foa:

good recruitment (7)
okay traffic and event frequency (6/10)
ok dev and user exp (6/10)
good internal structure (6/10)
great war performance and conduct (8/10)

1/1 growth bonus
no resources bonus

(7 x 0.3) + (6 x 0.25) + (6 * 0.15) + (7 x 0.2) + (8 x 0.1) = 6.5
bonus +1
final rating - 7.5

second - vak(temporarily buffed by pre-foa war)
vak does well for condition one
vak does great for condition two
vak does great for condition three
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foa:

good recruitment (6/10)
excellent traffic and event frequency (8/10)
good dev and user exp (7/10)
good internal structure (7/10)
okay war performance and conduct (5/10)
(^ very good war performance but very poor conduct brings it to 5)

no growth bonus
0.5 resources bonus

(6 x 0.3) + (8 x 0.25) + (7 * 0.15) + (7 x 0.2) + (5 x 0.1) = 6.75
bonus +1
final rating - 7.25

third - rat
vak does great for condition one
vak does well for condition two
vak does well for condition three
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foa:

excellent recruitment (8/10)
excellent traffic and event frequency (8/10)
good dev and user exp (5/10)
(^ good dev but repetitive and poor user experience)
okay internal structure (4/10)
poor war performance and conduct (3/10)
(^ okay war performance but very poor conduct brings it to 3)

no growth bonus
1/1 resources bonus

(8 x 0.3) + (8 x 0.25) + (5 * 0.15) + (4 x 0.2) + (3 x 0.1) = 6.25
bonus +1
final rating - 7.25

ranking order without accounting potential (bonus):
vak - 6.75
foa - 6.5
rat - 6.25

ranking order with potential (better represents current / short term positioning)
foa - 7.5
vak - 7.25
rat - 7.25

conclusion: vak is the most powerful long-term group while foa is currently the most powerful short-term group given its boosted recruitment and activity from its planned war on vak. rat is a considerable power in both the long term and short term but not for its military prowess. rather, it's a recruitment, activity and resources powerhouse.
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alexshi is online. alexshi
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03 Jul 2016 01:56 AM
confusing af


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 01:57 AM
lol when u copy the template at 3 am and u leave the other clan's name on it


correction for rat's template (third one)

third - rat
rat does great for condition one
rat does well for condition two
rat does well for condition three
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rat:

excellent recruitment (8/10)
excellent traffic and event frequency (8/10)
good dev and user exp (5/10)
(^ good dev but repetitive and poor user experience)
okay internal structure (4/10)
poor war performance and conduct (3/10)
(^ okay war performance but very poor conduct brings it to 3)

no growth bonus
1/1 resources bonus

(8 x 0.3) + (8 x 0.25) + (5 * 0.15) + (4 x 0.2) + (3 x 0.1) = 6.25
bonus +1
final rating - 7.25
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 01:58 AM
not if u read the manual provided in the link at the top

for a simple final result, it'll just be this:

"ranking order without accounting potential (bonus):
vak - 6.75
foa - 6.5
rat - 6.25

ranking order with potential (better represents current / short term positioning)
foa - 7.5
vak - 7.25
rat - 7.25

conclusion: vak is the most powerful long-term group while foa is currently the most powerful short-term group given its boosted recruitment and activity from its planned war on vak. rat is a considerable power in both the long term and short term but not for its military prowess. rather, it's a recruitment, activity and resources powerhouse."

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OwneD1991 is not online. OwneD1991
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03 Jul 2016 01:59 AM
'okay internal structure (4/10)'

As a clan ancient & RAT officer I highly disagree with this. RAT has one of the most organized internal structures of ANY group on ROBLOX.

Can I ask why you rated them so poorly on this?


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 02:07 AM
rat's internal structure fragments at the higher ranks from my understanding

many decisions that affect the group are carried out on a personal level. leaders provide favours to members, leaders provide favours to lower ranking officers, the clique of rat hr friends at the top get away with harassing lower ranking officers (i.e. 'drink bleach you fat whale' [moolego i believe?] and nothing happens to him for that) and even the leader carries out major decisions based on personal relations (exile of fabiao for unrelated cheating scandal)

any organization that conflates personal affairs with ruling the group immediately gets a fluorescent red flag for internal structure

i would rank them even lower at a 3 or 2.5 if the database didn't serve its purpose in filtering low ranks quite well
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OwneD1991 is not online. OwneD1991
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03 Jul 2016 02:10 AM
"the clique of rat hr friends at the top get away with harassing lower ranking officers (i.e. 'drink bleach you fat whale' [moolego i believe?] and nothing happens to him for that)"

Moolego was removed from Great Admiral and was demoted to a low rank position for this.

As long as it is, I highly suggest you read the Frostarian Military Code as it provides a system similar to checks & balances that prevents one user from overstepping their boundaries. An example of this is the HiCOM overruling the leaders decision to blacklist fabiao (and a month later he is back at Admiral again).


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 02:13 AM
immediate power checks were not taken. punishment was not served in time and poly still stuck through with exiling fab (possibly without consultation or the acknowledgement of others)

if some preventative actions were taken in the aftermaths perhaps the group's internal structure is better than what i am aware of it to be. however, it is not enough to surpass an average rank of 5/10. although the internal command may be more specialized and organized, it also carries substantially more baggage.
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OwneD1991 is not online. OwneD1991
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03 Jul 2016 02:26 AM
Immediate action is hardly ever taken in any type of circumstance. Investigations must happen and usually take quite a bit to time, especially when you are investigating the second in command of the group.

Preventative measures are in place for these sorts of things and unbiased parties specifically meant to investigate & deliver punishment are available. Like I said, I suggest you read up on the Frostarian Military Code (https://twitter.com/frostariannews/status/575800738749673472) as it outlines a lot of these things.


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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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03 Jul 2016 02:32 AM
RAT's war performance is rlly good (people underrate it), although conduct could be worked on
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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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03 Jul 2016 02:35 AM
also RAT's internal structure is way better than FoA's lol
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 02:53 AM
owned, preventative measures and power checks aren't worth much if they aren't adhered to

shine, haven't heard major mistakes or issues happening in the foa hicom
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Joshchum is online. Joshchum
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03 Jul 2016 02:54 AM
Owen it still happened
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 02:57 AM
plus i looked over the guide and it is unnecessarily ultra bureaucratic, containing poorly written clauses with very little information in a painfully disorganized and confusing manner

4/10 for internal for rat
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thesmartest1518 is not online. thesmartest1518
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03 Jul 2016 02:59 AM
cool


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ShatteredQuantum is not online. ShatteredQuantum
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03 Jul 2016 03:01 AM
foa is better than rat


thank u for making this fact we all knew clear

SQ is cool


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OwneD1991 is not online. OwneD1991
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03 Jul 2016 11:46 AM
'preventative measures and power checks aren't worth much if they aren't adhered to'

Can you please provide an example of when these power checks & preventative measures weren't adhered to? I've basically shot down each and every example (fab & moolego) you've brought in so far due to your lack of knowledge of RAT & its current affairs.


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 12:41 PM
no, you've stated that some sort of preventative measures ensued days to weeks after the incident. if regulations were truly adhered to, these measures would have never had to happen in the first place.

telling me that someone did something wrong, received nothing for it for several days to weeks until a thread surfaced and hrs took actions, doesn't scream 'look at our tough internal regulations' to me
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Rising_Master is online. Rising_Master
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03 Jul 2016 12:45 PM
K.


Join Iron Oath today.
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Vorsai is online. Vorsai
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03 Jul 2016 12:56 PM
I don't get it
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Inevera is not online. Inevera
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03 Jul 2016 01:00 PM
?????
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 01:00 PM
it's based on this

https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=192643346
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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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03 Jul 2016 01:01 PM
"VAK has a poor conduct but good performance during wars"

got whooped 18-1 before updates, 28-1 after them by TGI before stopping to defend. couldn't defeat EL. made updates to their fort to remove aspects of forts one for one when FC declared war. couldn't defeat UAF, couldn't even make proper updates to the designated date.

and you ranked them 5/10. this must be a joke.
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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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03 Jul 2016 01:01 PM
and i'm not even going to bother commenting on RAT.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Jul 2016 01:04 PM
vak ended up beating tgi. it drew el and uaf who were buffed by the forums. uaf also had an advantage because falsewarrior played smarter than the entire vak staff combined. vak has the longest war victory record and no official losses.

it's war performance is excellent but it's conduct is very poor.
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