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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 08:37 PM
War is not inherently bad.
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Pruz is not online. Pruz
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30 Jun 2016 08:42 PM
It's best to avoid war though, and be as equal as possible.

What if the world was one country? Then previous-countries would become states. And so on an so forth. We'd have another sub-division. But it would be cool if we were all one melting pot.

Hey Trump, where are you going to build your wall?
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 08:47 PM
@Pruz

I disagree. Your statement is too broad and doesn't account for most situations. This may sound belligerent, but if someone is being an ass, then if you punch them hard enough in the mouth and say, "Stop being an ass," then they will stop being an ass. Sometimes it may require you and a few other people to punch them in the mouth, but it works.

If the world was one country, then it would undoubtedly end in a boiling pit of civil wars and corruption, as the government would inevitably become oligarchical (under the guise of democracy). Separation of powers means that if one country converts to a tyrannical system, it falls behind and revolution is inevitable.

The same may be true for a World Government, but in the end, due to cultural, social, and political differences, you'd end up with several separate states and get the kind of war that IS bad.
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Pruz is not online. Pruz
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30 Jun 2016 08:53 PM
Of course some wars could be caused by debts and financial issues, but in the past its all been ownership of land and other geographical problem. Well, most.

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LNG257 is not online. LNG257
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30 Jun 2016 08:55 PM
I agree three-fourths with your statement.
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LeBlaster200 is not online. LeBlaster200
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30 Jun 2016 08:58 PM
Does war not cause us to bring out both the worst and the best of us?

War can cause us to do incredibly drastic and consequential things, just like when America bombed Japan in WW II. But war can also drive us to advance, work in unity with others, or just achieve more. For example, Cold War essentially caused and started the space race, expanding our horizons.
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 09:03 PM
@Pruz,

It wasn't, actually. The two biggest wars in the past were more social than anything else. And before that, land was more of an excuse for rulers.


@LeBlaster,

America dropping the A-Bomb wasn't a bad thing. You're an idiot if you believe that. Besides this, the Cold War was beneficial mostly in that it severely wounded Marxism.
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benzo2 is not online. benzo2
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30 Jun 2016 09:04 PM
"Only when faced with extinction do our differences seem to dissolve away."

We need an extraterrestrial invasion; That would make us great... Or dead. Win win, either way.
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Exclamationpoint1 is not online. Exclamationpoint1
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30 Jun 2016 09:04 PM
The world would be a hell of a lot more boring without war

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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 09:07 PM
I think an extraterrestrial invasion would, in the end, divide us more than unite us. Each country is going to want a bigger part in the alliance but at the same time put in the minimum amount of resources. And say we win- we'll either go back to squabbling (if we're lucky) or start using the alien technology. Once we have spacey superweapons, we're going to be turning Earth into a lost paradise.
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 09:07 PM
@Exclamation

Agreed, but that's not my point.
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Exclamationpoint1 is not online. Exclamationpoint1
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30 Jun 2016 09:13 PM
Personally, I don't care
War is inevitable. No use trying to justify or illegitimize it. So long as humans hate other humans, there will always be war.
It can help, or it can hurt. WWII brought about the h.alocaust, but it also brought the USA out of the great depression.

@Benzo

I direct you to ancient Greece. Greece was made up of many states, all of them were almost constantly at war. If they were invaded by a foreign country, like Persia, for instance, they would team up to deal with the threat. However, once the threat was eliminated, they all went back to battling each other.

Do you see my point?

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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 09:15 PM
I never tried to do either of those things. I'm just saying that it's not inherently a bad thing.

But it is still important to pick your battles. Nihilism is just the second stage of stupidity.

And yes, Greece is a perfect example of why that point isn't correct. So many ethnic groups either breed out of control and will end up costing the rest of us or hate each other. We'll always find a reason to kill each other, like you said.
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Exclamationpoint1 is not online. Exclamationpoint1
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30 Jun 2016 09:23 PM
I wasn't trying to say you were either of those things, I was talking generally
And think what you will of my nihilism and apathy, it doesn't particularity matter to me

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benzo2 is not online. benzo2
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30 Jun 2016 10:48 PM
My point was that while the threat is there, we become allies. I never said anything about once the threat is gone, which seems to be the only thing being thrown to contradict what I had said.

Also, Persian spies had a good hand in causing Greece to tear itself apart with the Pelopponesian War, it wasn't just natural hate for each other. (Though that obviously helped.)
They may have won the war, but Persia got the last laugh.
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30 Jun 2016 11:16 PM
I'm saying that an invasion would be just another drop in the bucket. It would cause a brief cease fire between the nations of the world, maybe, and that'd be about it. Nothing would really come of it. It would have no effect in the long run.

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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 11:18 PM
Actually, Benzo, if you were smart enough to read my whole post, you'd know that I said we would squabble even while it was there. Might even end up fighting a three-way war.

Besides that, no, what caused the Peloponnesian War was the Delian League turning into the Athenian(-controlled) Empire, which Athens formed both to monopolize Greece as well as instigate with Sparta, a common threat which was the only reason Athens managed to subjugate all the City-States. This only further proves my point- in a time requiring unification, a big bully in the group always takes advantage of the situation (Athens being the bully and Persia being the original situation) to accrue more power. This only leads to war.

And besides /that/, even if you were only saying that we unify during the situation, that just means you made a pointless and kind of stupid remark.
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birmie123 is not online. birmie123
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30 Jun 2016 11:22 PM
My dad has missed 3 years of my life in total to fight and wars and stuff involving war, and each time he leaves I have to live in the constant fear he could die or injured

From my perspective ear is the worst thing in the world but idk

Maybe it's just me being a puss
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 11:27 PM
Nah, it's not you being a puss

But there are several things that make it fallacious and, in the end, ineffective.

For one thing, anecdotal evidence on its own is a logical fallacy. But besides that, just remember that the US's standing army is a 100% volunteer force. In fact, there are restrictions on who can join.

I do feel for you, Birm, and I know what it feels like for your dad (w/o the fear of his death). But that's not an inherent flaw with war. If he was /pulled/ away, my position would be harder to defend, but even then, just remember that chances are, if the country didn't form a military at the very least to defend itself and its interests, we'd all be dead anyways.
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birmie123 is not online. birmie123
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30 Jun 2016 11:29 PM
I'm offended my dad isn't in the army he's a marine

Smh

Seriously though war is awful but an inevitable, somewhat effective way of settling disputes
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 11:34 PM
Aggressive warfare is awful, if it's in the name of imperialism (though even that has its exceptions). Muslim wars of conquest? Shouldn't have happened, but they did and, ironically, go completely ignored (despite being the cause of a massive sl,.@,.ve trade which lasted much longer than the African one, i.e. 1100 years). N.,@z1 Germany's annexation of several surrounding countries? Arguable, up until Poland. Declaring war on Germany because of Poland? Justified.

War can be a proper means to an end is all I'm saying.
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LeBlaster200 is not online. LeBlaster200
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30 Jun 2016 11:54 PM
I didn't mean to imply that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were so and so bad, it was just how consequential they were.
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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30 Jun 2016 11:56 PM
The negative was heavily implied, m8
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Precisonfire23 is not online. Precisonfire23
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30 Jun 2016 11:59 PM
War is great and the bombings and Nagasaki and Hiroshima were ethical and good.
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simsf1 is not online. simsf1
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01 Jul 2016 12:02 AM
Ethics are relative. When it's a choice between inducing millions of casualties or 80 thousand, I think the needs of the many outweigh the few.
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