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Re: A clan cheating does not make it an overall bad clan

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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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28 Jun 2016 09:43 PM
I don't approve of this in any way, but saying a clan cheating simply means that the clan is just terrible in every way isn't exactly correct.

People make it out to be that "oh, this clan cheated, that means it's weak, inactive, and incapable" even though all 3 may be false.

Their conduct in war really isn't the only factor about that clan that exists, that's all I'm saying.


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BubleSZK3 is not online. BubleSZK3
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28 Jun 2016 09:44 PM
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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28 Jun 2016 09:44 PM
Citing Nederlandz saying VAK and RAT are overall bad clans and should be on the bottom of top 10 lists because of war conduct


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 09:45 PM
VAK has continuously cheated for well over 3-4 years now so I'm not sure how ANYONE can consider them a good clan.

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HeathenHammer is not online. HeathenHammer
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28 Jun 2016 09:45 PM
is this you venting because your wife cheated on you for bbc
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Marinist is not online. Marinist
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28 Jun 2016 09:45 PM
agreed my sir

it's very bad 2 cheat obviously and it should be frowned upon but yo it doesnt mean the clan is necessarily trash, just unfair


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K_iev is not online. K_iev
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28 Jun 2016 09:46 PM
Just you
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contraptionist is not online. contraptionist
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28 Jun 2016 09:46 PM
so does cheating make you good
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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28 Jun 2016 09:46 PM
I agree, VAK continuously getting raid wins on difficult forts as well as easily rallying over 100 people means it's just a bad clan overall because it "cheats" in wars. Indeed.


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zachlovespizza is not online. zachlovespizza
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28 Jun 2016 09:46 PM
they have repeatedly cheated and use unfair tatics while trying to act innocent
neds wrong, they shouldnt even be considered on any list at all



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BuIky is not online. BuIky
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28 Jun 2016 09:47 PM
"VAK has continuously cheated for well over 3-4 years now so I'm not sure how ANYONE can consider them a good clan."

Do you really think VAK couldn't still beat people by playing completely fair

All clans cheat in war every single one of them has been guilty of it
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NuclearScience is not online. NuclearScience
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28 Jun 2016 09:47 PM
Seviro at his finest
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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28 Jun 2016 09:47 PM
So a clan that can rally 5 people but is totally honorable is overall better than a clan that can rally, say, 150 but cheats?

Doesn't really make sense. I don't approve of the cheating but your logic is terrible.


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MarshalSZK4 is not online. MarshalSZK4
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28 Jun 2016 09:48 PM
Especially when that clan is trying to stop and prove itself.


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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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28 Jun 2016 09:48 PM
The main issue is that cheating gives outsiders and the clan a misleading conception of their actual strength and ability. Strength, the primary attribute according to so many in this community, becomes the measure of a clan's worth and cheating obfuscates the truth of the matter.

If the vast majority of people factored a clan's community, legal systems, events, or even technology into these rankings, we'd have a different story on our hands.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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28 Jun 2016 09:49 PM
Don't justify cheating

Even if a clan is THE most active and THE most skilled and has THE best community, if it's a clan that is constantly cheating and constantly pulling crap in and out of war, it should be in the bottom 10.

What cheating does is invalidates every other accomplishment a group achieves.
"Oh sure, that group is really active, but then again, they also lagswitch during raids"

You can be the best at everything in a sport such as, baseball. And maybe your talents and your hard work have gotten you to the top. But if you use steroids at ALL, the validity of those achievements and the validity of your hard work is automatically brought into question. If you've used steroids to gain an unfair advantage, then what else have you done that we don't know about?

That's the type of thinking that goes with a clan.

So no, a clan cheating doesn't make it bad at everything. But it does make it a bad clan overall.
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BuIky is not online. BuIky
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28 Jun 2016 09:49 PM
No seviro your dumb the clan that can rally same amount as RAT except all of them be above average fighters is just completely trash what were we thinking
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stix7 is not online. stix7
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28 Jun 2016 09:50 PM
agreed with king
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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28 Jun 2016 09:51 PM
If you can find any portion of this thread where I am >JUSTIFYING< cheating then I'll gladly give you 1k.


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 09:52 PM
"I agree, VAK continuously getting raid wins on difficult forts as well as easily rallying over 100 people means it's just a bad clan overall because it "cheats" in wars. Indeed."

VAK is a war clan. Its function is to (Taken from their description) "[annihilate] all who oppose."

I'm not saying war is the only factor within clans, because it shouldn't be, but when your clan (VAK) has been the most important clan in advancing a clan attitude of "doing anyting to win" (An attitude that has destroyed clans), then those other factors become almost insignificant.

Now lets say VAK did do the things it did (Such as in the TGI/VAK war, the greatest advancement of this clan attitude) and attempted to do right by not cheating afterwards, that would be more acceptable. However, even >until this day<, VAK continues to progress that clan attitude that is so devastating.

"Do you really think VAK couldn't still beat people by playing completely fair"

No, I don't.

VAK definitely should have lost to FC twice, TGI, and VOID. EL and UAF could also be argued.

Additionally, wars may have gone in a different direction if VAK didn't use an OP fort against everyone's much fairer fort (Excluding VOID/VAK war).

"So a clan that can rally 5 people but is totally honorable is overall better than a clan that can rally, say, 150 but cheats?"

Yes, that clan is better than a clan that continuously cheats and progresses a clan attitude that has >destroyed< the clan world as a whole.
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BuIky is not online. BuIky
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28 Jun 2016 09:52 PM
"You can be the best at everything in a sport such as, baseball. And maybe your talents and your hard work have gotten you to the top. But if you use steroids at ALL, the validity of those achievements and the validity of your hard work is automatically brought into question. If you've used steroids to gain an unfair advantage, then what else have you done that we don't know about?"

Wrong, Pete Rose was an amazing baseball player maybe one of the best ever and cheated in many ways and was banned from the league for it but is still considered one of the best?
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Brightless is not online. Brightless
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28 Jun 2016 09:52 PM
what if there was a war system where there is universal rules
and when you break these universal rules you're banned from warring anyone in general
like 5 strikes
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nowihaveyou is not online. nowihaveyou
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28 Jun 2016 09:53 PM
>cheats in every war in the last few years

"theyre not a bad clan"

XD


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 09:53 PM
"Wrong, Pete Rose was an amazing baseball player maybe one of the best ever and cheated in many ways and was banned from the league for it but is still considered one of the best?"

Yeah, is he in the Hall of Fame?
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Brightless is not online. Brightless
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28 Jun 2016 09:53 PM
but the league views him as if he cheated to be the best
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